View Poll Results: Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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Thread: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    In comparison to what existed in the Americas before we arrived? Absolutely.
    Considering the extent to which we exterminated most of the tribes in the Americas? No, we can't even begin to compare them.

    The Pre-Columbian Civilization was basically a dead end.
    Which is why they survived until the Europeans got here. Lolz. Your nonsense is nonsense.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's a statement of fact. There's no debate. Look up the definition.
    If the method by which the land is obtained is genocide, then yes, it most certainly does. Again, you're confusing methods with goals.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the method by which the land is obtained is genocide, then yes, it most certainly does. Again, you're confusing methods with goals.
    You fundamentally misunderstand what genocide is. You're using it to mean "killed a lot of people".

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Thanks for voting, everyone. I admit I am a little surprised that 3 out of 5 people say we should continue celebrating it after reading the first two posts.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering the extent to which we exterminated most of the tribes in the Americas? No, we can't even begin to compare them.
    We didn't "exterminate" anyone. Most of the native population would've died of disease before ever even having the chance to encounter a European, simply due to the manner in which diseases tend to travel along major trade routes.

    Furthermore, of course we can compare European and Native American Civilization. Why on Earth wouldn't we be able to do so? Have you never heard of archaelogy?

    The simple fact of the matter is that the Aztecs and Inca were basically the best the Pre-Columbian Americas had to offer, and they were both irredeemably brutal cultures, which possessed technology that was easily milennia behind Eurasian standards. They were a developmental dead end.

    Which is why they survived until the Europeans got here. Lolz.
    And there are still stone age tribes "surviving" in the Amazon and Oceania. What's your point?

    "Surviving" is not the same thing as thriving.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 10-12-13 at 03:31 PM.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Interesting point I guess, but it's not supposed to be a kind gesture to the natives so much as it is refraining from celebrating shameful acts. Might not be able to heal the wound but why mash salt into it?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think you do know much about it. The only people who are really Americans are native Americans. Most of us white Americans are of European descent. America is a melting pot of different cultures and ethnicities. For example, I am Irish, Italian, English, Welch, Polish, Canadian Indian.
    Exactly. It doesn't matter where your ancestors may have come from. If you were born here, you are an American.

    That's all there is to it.

    My family is Welsh-Irish, Scotch-Irish, Italian, German (Prussian), French-Canadian, Norwegian, and Cheerokee. We might be mutts, but it certainly doesn't make us any less fundamentally "American."

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly. It doesn't matter where your ancestors may have come from. If you were born here, you are an American.

    That's all there is to it.

    My family is Welsh-Irish, Scotch-Irish, Italian, German (Prussian), French-Canadian, Norwegian, and Cheerokee. We might be mutts, but it certainly doesn't make us any less fundamentally "American."



    Bing. My family is Scots, Irish, English, German, Cherokee and Creek. Enough of the latter than we sometimes get asked if we're part native.

    We're just Americans. Almost all native born Americans are mongrels.

    Just like most South Americans are a mix of SA Indian and Spanish or Portuguese.

    What happened centuries ago, happened in a different time when ALL peoples were a lot rougher and more ethnocentric....

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No one who's a native in my family gives a damn.
    The idea isn't in response to imagining today's natives care deeply about it. The idea is in response to learning the reality about the individual after whom we named a national holiday.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    My relatives call Columbus Day by a different name: Invasion Day.

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