View Poll Results: Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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Thread: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I will go for that if you go for an increase in taxes to compensate for each war/slash military action we get into.
    why? I already pay more taxes a month than most pay in several years. Its you lefties who push for more and more spending not me. I want to cut the military budget in terms of overseas involvements. The "war on poverty" has cost us far far more than say the Afghanistan episodes



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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why? I already pay more taxes a month than most pay in several years. Its you lefties who push for more and more spending not me. I want to cut the military budget in terms of overseas involvements. The "war on poverty" has cost us far far more than say the Afghanistan episodes
    My supposition is that if Americans will have to immediately pay for war via taxes - their politicians will look closer at "evidence" that leads us to war. If we were required to pay for Iraq at the time - do you think we would have gone to war?

    I do not mind paying more if there is a real threat. But I want a good faith effort in deciding what a real threat is.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    My supposition is that if Americans will have to immediately pay for war via taxes - their politicians will look closer at "evidence" that leads us to war. If we were required to pay for Iraq at the time - do you think we would have gone to war?

    I do not mind paying more if there is a real threat. But I want a good faith effort in deciding what a real threat is.
    the same could be true as to social welfare spending. War is a constitutionally sound power of congress-income redistribution really is not



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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the same could be true as to social welfare spending. War is a constitutionally sound power of congress-income redistribution really is not
    Not talking constitution.

    Lots of things that are constitutionally sound are crap.

    I am talking that if politicians have to vote to go to war and they know that we will pay ON THEIR WATCH, they will make sure that their information and conclusions are solid.

    I do not mind paying for real threat, do you?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Not talking constitution.

    Lots of things that are constitutionally sound are crap.

    I am talking that if politicians have to vote to go to war and they know that we will pay ON THEIR WATCH, they will make sure that their information and conclusions are solid.

    I do not mind paying for real threat, do you?
    I think you misinterpreted his statement. I believe he is saying that the decision to go to war is ACTUALLY a responsibility of the federal government as outlined in the Constitution, whereas entitlement spending is NOT a responsibility of the feds.

    In actuality, the feds have very FEW responsibilities, and it was meant to be that way to limit their power.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I love how some people on this thread pretend the arrival of Western Civilization - which caused the deaths of millions and enslavement of millions more is somehow something that is worthy of celebration but the guy who started it all is the bad guy. In the history of the Americas, Columbus' arrival was probably the least morally revolting part.
    If you'd rather be living in a teepee somewhere than with the technology and creature comforts Western Civilization provides, go right ahead and do it then. I doubt your presence would be much missed.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    In those days, the entire world behaved in such a manner. Please, before chiding the US about Columbus, get the Euros to abandon their Kings whom all did worse things. And don't even get started about the backwards hellhole that the ME or Asia was back then.


    Go back a few hundred years, and everyone looks like a monster. Such was the world. The idea behind celebrations is to find the positive things.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yeah, he was from Spain, so IMO he really doesn't represent our country anyway.
    what nationality was Washington before USA was founded ?
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    what nationality was Washington before USA was founded ?
    Bloody land grabbing and tribal conflicts in the ancient world does not constitute genocide. What Turkey did, in the modern world, does.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In those days, the entire world behaved in such a manner. Please, before chiding the US about Columbus, get the Euros to abandon their Kings whom all did worse things. And don't even get started about the backwards hellhole that the ME or Asia was back then.


    Go back a few hundred years, and everyone looks like a monster. Such was the world. The idea behind celebrations is to find the positive things.





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