View Poll Results: Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Nice to see white guilt runs deep in this forum
    I don't feel guilty at all. Why should I?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Not entirely likely. We have been disillusioned with Thomas Jefferson for about 60 years now, and about 30-40 for the public. Jefferson's public icon image is still going strong, regardless.

    That being said, I have no problems with creating a national holiday to celebrate Native American culture. The truth of the matter is, MLK Day doesn't somehow intellectually cause a problem for Americans that also celebrate the 4th of July. This is despite the implication that most of those individuals did not conceptualize their message of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for African Americans. The public incorporates both holidays without contradiction, either consciously or out of ignorance. Regardless of that, it builds nationalism, and I am all for limited myth making in the pursuit of national unity.


    Ummm I had to think about this for a minute...The 4th commemorates the founding of a nation...I would think this would be more of a problem for Native Americans than African Americans...Myth making is just another way of saying that it's a big fat lie....

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Do we, by implication, do just that with President's Day? What about Independence Day?



    Now that is a good point...With Presidents like Andrew Jackson, who needs a Hitler--but he wasn't the only one...

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Ummm I had to think about this for a minute...The 4th commemorates the founding of a nation...I would think this would be more of a problem for Native Americans than African Americans...Myth making is just another way of saying that it's a big fat lie....
    The Declaration of Independence removed the reference to slavery and was also promoted by a group of individuals that were gradualists at most for being against slavery and expansionists at most for those that defended slavery. It was also a holiday that was frequently protected by the white population and became a problem whenever blacks wanted to use its words for emancipation or for their revolution (see St. Domingue).

    In a way, yes, it is a lie. A necessary lie each state creates to project unity of its population.
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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    Presidents day is a celebration of George Washington's and Abraham Lincoln's birthdays; Although Washington owned slaves, Lincoln freed them. Other than that, I know of no great scandal surrounding them. Both of them did great things in the name of freedom. I'm not really seeing the "implication" here. If you mean, simply that they ruled the land after the Native Americans were persecuted, that could be said about every non-Native American living in America. The sins of the fathers do not weigh on the son; they should be judged on their actions within the scenario they were born in, and they both used their lives for good. (If I'm missing some big scandal surrounding the two, please tell me. I'm not seeing it.)

    Independence Day is the Nation's birthday. The nation is inanimate, and incapable of doing evil. Again, I'm not really seeing the "implication".


    Why didn't they just change it to Washington and Lincoln Day instead of making it appear as tho we are supposed to celebrate all presidents...?

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Why didn't they just change it to Washington and Lincoln Day instead of making it appear as tho we are supposed to celebrate all presidents...?
    Well Wilson has his own holiday. It is April 15th!



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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Why didn't they just change it to Washington and Lincoln Day instead of making it appear as tho we are supposed to celebrate all presidents...?
    They used to lump them together... back in the old days.

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Maybe they should rename it Native American Day...
    Out here on the West Coast (at least in Berkeley and San Francisco) it's been referred to as "Indiginous People's Day" for at least 15 years (give or take).

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's doesn't explain why you purposefully misspelled it several times in this thread. Perhaps that's a bit of your own bigotry rearing it's ugly head?


    Some people can be so bitchey--one wonders why? My father was born in Italy so maybe "your" bigotry is rearing its ugly head....You don't seem to have a clue about very much.....

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    Re: Should we abolish Columbus Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Actually I think I had it right. I know there was a push to change the name nationally but it didn't take.

    Indigenous People's Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Probably because it is the Canadians and Australians that call their people indigenous people but we don't...

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