View Poll Results: What opinion is most out of touch with reality?

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  • R-Global Warming is not man made

    9 21.43%
  • L-Global Warming is 100% man made

    2 4.76%
  • R-Abortion kills a human

    2 4.76%
  • L-Unborn human rights are trumped by a woman's right to choose

    5 11.90%
  • R-Lower taxation equals economic freedom and greater equality in opportunity

    4 9.52%
  • L-Higher taxation for certain tax brackets is fair because it helps the poor

    6 14.29%
  • R-Immigration is a good thing, but those that broke the law should not be rewarded

    1 2.38%
  • L-Immigration laws should not be enforced

    5 11.90%
  • R-Religious freedom is absolute (i.e. traditional marriage, creationism, young Earth)

    6 14.29%
  • L-Secular values trump religious freedom (i.e. gay marriage, evolution, big bang)

    2 4.76%
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    Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    To correct the ill conceived poll in this sub forum, I have proposed the above poll. Vote as you may.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    There is no such thing as an absolute freedom.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There is no such thing as an absolute freedom.
    Meh, it wouldn't let me put my original point which was religious freedom shouldn't be usurped for popular secular belief. That was to long.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Meh, it wouldn't let me put my original point which was religious freedom shouldn't be usurped for popular secular belief. That was to long.
    Okay. Even had you phrased it that way, I would've voted for it.
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Okay. Even had you phrased it that way, I would've voted for it.
    So you think it is crazy for people of any religion to say "I don't believe the secular views on abc"? Are you for repealing the freedom of religion clause in the first amendment?
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    I don't know it is a tie between religious freedom is absolute and abortion is killing a human as they are both incredibly incorrect. No right or freedom is absolute.
    Last edited by Carjosse; 10-11-13 at 01:09 AM.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    So you think it is crazy for people of any religion to say "I don't believe the secular views on abc"? Are you for repealing the freedom of religion clause in the first amendment?
    No. I don't think that religious freedom gives anyone a license to violate anyone else's rights, which in my mind qualifies as religious freedom being usurped by popular secular belief.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There is no such thing as an absolute freedom.
    In the case of religion there is. You can believe any crazy ass thing imaginable. There's no way to stop you from believing it (except by involuntary medication, but that is somewhat rare).

    The idea that is most out of touch with reality is the notion that taxing some people at higher rates helps the poor. In reality, the things that help the poor (including government spending on such) are not funded by income taxes. That money is spent irrespective of taxes. Essentially, government spending is the deposit of money into the economy, and taxation is the withdrawal of money from the economy. One does not pay for the other anymore.

    It's kind of a technicality. I almost chose "global warming is 100% man-made," but I didn't because I'm not sure anyone actually believes that.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    "R-Religious freedom is absolute (i.e. traditional marriage, creationism, young Earth)" is the most out of touch. Religious freedom doesn't mean any of those things. Religious freedom means you CAN'T force only a specific form of marriage, because other religious perspectives have different ideas about it. Imposing a certain Christian view of marriage means discriminating against Reform Judaism, for example, which embraces SSM. Religious freedom also does not mean that you get to have the state teach your religion as truth to children. Creationism is one particular religious idea and it cannot be elevated above other ones. What science classes teach is the facts. You can apply your religion and interpret them any way you want, but facts are facts. A religious perspective can claim that we have iron in our DNA instead of Thymine, but that's simply not true.

    But religious freedom in this country already is absolute. You can think whatever you want. You can pray to whoever or whatever you want. You can live your life according to your faith and your ideals... up until you start limiting someone else's ability to do that. That ideal already exists, and it is the reason why things like enforcing heterosexual only marriage and teaching non-science in science classrooms is not acceptable.
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    In the case of religion there is. You can believe any crazy ass thing imaginable. There's no way to stop you from believing it (except by involuntary medication, but that is somewhat rare).
    Religion is not merely about belief, it also involves action. When that action violates the rights of others, the freedom to practice must be superseded by the rights of others.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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