View Poll Results: What opinion is most out of touch with reality?

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  • R-Global Warming is not man made

    9 21.43%
  • L-Global Warming is 100% man made

    2 4.76%
  • R-Abortion kills a human

    2 4.76%
  • L-Unborn human rights are trumped by a woman's right to choose

    5 11.90%
  • R-Lower taxation equals economic freedom and greater equality in opportunity

    4 9.52%
  • L-Higher taxation for certain tax brackets is fair because it helps the poor

    6 14.29%
  • R-Immigration is a good thing, but those that broke the law should not be rewarded

    1 2.38%
  • L-Immigration laws should not be enforced

    5 11.90%
  • R-Religious freedom is absolute (i.e. traditional marriage, creationism, young Earth)

    6 14.29%
  • L-Secular values trump religious freedom (i.e. gay marriage, evolution, big bang)

    2 4.76%
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    To correct the ill conceived poll in this sub forum, I have proposed the above poll. Vote as you may.
    It is my opinion that both political ought to work together to solve this countries problems. But as you state, that is totally out touch with reality. More than anything else you mention in your poll.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Why not having religious and non-religious scenes at public places?
    Why not having schools celebrate religious and non-religious holidays during the last few days of December?

    I could get into the intrepetation of the separation of church and state (church is to be eliminated from state) that was interpreted incorrectly from the founding fathers (Madison).



    You have my permission to waste your time on whatever time-wasting malarkey that you want to waste your time on.




    "The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion." ~ John Adams. 2nd President of the United States.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    In other words, limited by law. Just like you defined "freedoms."
    No. Given by law.

    Rights - inherent, free from restriction, cannot be regulated
    Freedoms - not inherent, restricted, fully to partially unregulated
    Privileges - given, highly restricted, fully regulated
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's your interpretation of what is being said. They're arguing that we should curb the damage that is done by us. Which is substantial. Now, can you find that 100% figure anywhere? No? Then what you believe is implied is useless.
    Repost:

    CO2 - the major cause of global warming | Time for change

    Global warming is caused by the emission of greenhouse gases .
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You have my permission to waste your time on whatever time-wasting malarkey that you want to waste your time on.




    "The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion." ~ John Adams. 2nd President of the United States.
    So I have a shot changing your mind, eh?

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Madison was, by far, the leading forefather authority on the separation of church and state, and he didn't say anything that remotely resembled your sig that was a cherrypicked quote from Adams, shrubnose.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Madison was, by far, the leading forefather authority on the separation of church and state, and he didn't say anything that remotely resembled your sig that was a cherrypicked quote from Adams, shrubnose
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    You have the 1st Amendment right to believe whatever you want to believe and to try and spread your gospel, but don't expect the entire population of the USA to fall in line behind you shouting "Alleluia" anytime soon.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 10-12-13 at 02:34 PM.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No. Given by law.

    Rights - inherent, free from restriction, cannot be regulated
    Freedoms - not inherent, restricted, fully to partially unregulated
    Privileges - given, highly restricted, fully regulated
    By your own words, at least some freedoms are equivalent to privileges.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Rights are inherent and are only limited by other peoples' rights. Freedoms are not inherent and are limited by law.
    No. That's a popular fantasy but it's just not true. Rights, like everything else in human society, are made up by people and enforced by social pressure. They are not inherent. If they were, they wouldn't change. They wouldn't vary from culture to culture, from group to group. They would be consistent across the board and they're just not. There is no evidence whatsoever that rights are any more than a human invention.

    Now, we create laws to prevent one individual from violating another individual's/individuals' rights. But those laws are meant to preserve rights, not limit (whether or not they meet that goal is another story).
    No, we create laws largely to codify rights and control behavior. Rights are never unlimited.

    Simple example. Right to life is inherent. No one can violate that right unless their right to life is being threatened. Freedom to participate in commerce is heavily regulated. While you can participate you can only participate as the government sees fit.
    Prove it. Prove that the "right to life" is inherent. Where is your evidence? Belief doesn't count. People can and do violate that right on a regular basis, whether you like it or not. Repeating your emotionally-comforting mantra doesn't make it so.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That does not say humans are 100% responsible for global warming.
    Nor is it likely that humans are significantly responsible for modern global warming. If we look back through the historical record, we find that these things happen in cycles. There has been global warming and global cooling for millions and millions of years, long before humans existed or had any significant technical abilities to change the worldwide weather. Of course, lots of people ignore these facts because it doesn't fit into their political ideology.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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