View Poll Results: What opinion is most out of touch with reality?

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  • R-Global Warming is not man made

    9 21.43%
  • L-Global Warming is 100% man made

    2 4.76%
  • R-Abortion kills a human

    2 4.76%
  • L-Unborn human rights are trumped by a woman's right to choose

    5 11.90%
  • R-Lower taxation equals economic freedom and greater equality in opportunity

    4 9.52%
  • L-Higher taxation for certain tax brackets is fair because it helps the poor

    6 14.29%
  • R-Immigration is a good thing, but those that broke the law should not be rewarded

    1 2.38%
  • L-Immigration laws should not be enforced

    5 11.90%
  • R-Religious freedom is absolute (i.e. traditional marriage, creationism, young Earth)

    6 14.29%
  • L-Secular values trump religious freedom (i.e. gay marriage, evolution, big bang)

    2 4.76%
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No, but you only get 10 options and I was improving upon the blatantly one sided poll that I mimicked.
    well you didnt improve on it at all, its actually worse

    the other polls only flaw is falsely painting all GOP members in ONE light, thats completely unfair and i pointed that out in my response to it and once that is pointed out that poll is easy to answer
    But even the selections are left very vague enough so they arent extreme and not so stereotypical so one can choose their own meaning.

    IMO yours are so extreme and poorly worded that even "stereotypically" they dont apply and some are just not true of anybody but maybe a very small fringe.
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Freedoms and rights are not the same. We are talking about rights.
    Both are the same in this regard. I don't care what you believe, you cannot eat another human being, you cannot have sex with children (tell the Catholics that, will you?), you cannot engage in illegal activities, etc. You simply are not permitted to translate what you believe in your head into physical action without limitation.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Both are the same in this regard. I don't care what you believe, you cannot eat another human being, you cannot have sex with children (tell the Catholics that, will you?), you cannot engage in illegal activities, etc. You simply are not permitted to translate what you believe in your head into physical action without limitation.
    No they are not. There is a very distinct difference. They cannot be used interchangeably.
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No they are not. There is a very distinct difference. They cannot be used interchangeably.
    Which is exactly why it only represents the most extreme of both sides and doesn't reflect reality.
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No they are not. There is a very distinct difference. They cannot be used interchangeably.
    Then please point out how they are different in this specific instance.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Allowing you to pray to whatever you want and stopping you from infringing on the beliefs/values of others = religious oppression. Welcome to DP. Where down is up, left is right, and the points don't matter.
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    To correct the ill conceived poll in this sub forum, I have proposed the above poll. Vote as you may.
    Whoa. Are you extreme right or what? You state the left's "issues" incorrectly, for the purpose of making them appear as wacko as the right's.

    Examples:
    The left does NOT maintain that global warming is 100% caused by man.

    The unborn do not have "human rights" under the LAW; therefore, rights that don't exist cannot be trumped by anything. (Rights come into existence at the point where the fetus can live outside the womb...personhood. Even the Republican state of Mississippi or Alabama refused to pass a "personhood" law applying to the unborn.)

    The left does not maintain that higher taxes for those who make more is fair because it helps the poor. The left maintains that a progressive tax is fair because it's just FAIR (5% to someone with no expendable income means a lot more than 5% to someone with an expendable income of 90% of what they bring in). It is the country that has enabled the person to make the income; therefore, it is fair that they give a larger percentage of their income. They also maintain that it makes for a healthier economy, which history will back up. In other words, it is not true that giving Romney more $ to put in his Swiss bank account will make the American economy stronger and increase jobs. It WILL, however help the economy for poor and middle class people to have more expendable income, since they will SPEND that money on services and products, stimulating the economy and increasing JOBS.

    It is not the left's position that secular values trumps religious freedom. Gay marriage of other people has nothing to do with your religious freedom. Evolution is science based; we want our citizens to be educated and knowledgeable in science and math. But you are free to believe in whatever you choose, since you have religious freedom. Our government is free from religious influence, since it is a CIVIL government. It does not interfere with anyone's right to believe and worship as they choose. However, a person's religious beliefs are not allowed to interfere with the civil government or others' beliefs. Law is civil. If we mix religion with it, should it be...muslim? Or Jewish? Or do you mean YOUR religion? This is why the country was set up initially to be secular but not interfere with religious beliefs. That is the Democratic Party Platform, I believe.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    To correct the ill conceived poll in this sub forum, I have proposed the above poll. Vote as you may.
    Utterly bewildering.
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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    To correct the ill conceived poll in this sub forum, I have proposed the above poll. Vote as you may.
    I think some of your poll choices are just not correct.

    FOr example - I know of no person on the left that thinks Global Warming/climate change is 100% man made. They think in varying degrees how much manmade enters into the picture. That is a huge difference.

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    Re: Political ideal that is most out of touch with reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then please point out how they are different in this specific instance.
    Rights are inherent and are only limited by other peoples' rights. Freedoms are not inherent and are limited by law.

    Now, we create laws to prevent one individual from violating another individual's/individuals' rights. But those laws are meant to preserve rights, not limit (whether or not they meet that goal is another story).

    Simple example. Right to life is inherent. No one can violate that right unless their right to life is being threatened. Freedom to participate in commerce is heavily regulated. While you can participate you can only participate as the government sees fit.
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