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Will ObamneyCare work?

Will Obamney care succeed

  • Yes, because of Obama

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • No, because of Obama

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, because it's a great idea

    Votes: 11 21.6%
  • No, it's a terrible idea

    Votes: 23 45.1%
  • 10 piece McNuggets with fries

    Votes: 16 31.4%

  • Total voters
    51
Is there anything more annoying than polls where the OP assigns a reason to you for the answer you choose?

Why not simply let responders provide their own reasons instead of a forced compliance with the OP's nonsense?
 
Two things I've found interesting in the discussion so far: It appears that nobody noticed that I called it "Obamneycare."

The other thing that nobody's really pointed out is that Medicare was once as hated as the ACA. Ronald Reagan did radio ads against it back in the day. Now his party is all "Keep your government out of my Medicare." It seems that once they got used to Medicare, they liked it.
 
Is there anything more annoying than polls where the OP assigns a reason to you for the answer you choose?

Why not simply let responders provide their own reasons instead of a forced compliance with the OP's nonsense?

That's what the 10 McNuggets and fries option is for. Vote for that, and tell us what you think.
 
Still on the "death panel" myth?

This isn't about death panels. This is about rights. Rights exists in absence of the government.

For example, the government cannot stop me from going to Church, speaking my mind, or owning a gun. It only remains a right if the government does not provide a church, a forum or a gun and ammo. Once the line is crossed from inaction to action, the right becomes a privilege. If you are on UHC, you have the privilege of living. You no longer have the right to live.
 
Those increases caused my employer to drop my PPO plan and only offer HSA plans.

You were told that the PPO plans were dropped due to a $29 dollar increase? What else did they tell you?

When I retired in '01, my employer had an $800 cap on health insurance. Unless we chose the "Cadillac" plan, we could get by with no out of pocket cost. That was great. A couple of years ago (before Obmacare) a colleague told me that the cap had been raised to $1,500, and that employees were still paying above and beyond that.

So, if my employer (if I still had one) told me that he was dropping the current plan due to a $29 increase, I'd ask just what he'd been smoking.
 
You were told that the PPO plans were dropped due to a $29 dollar increase? What else did they tell you?

When I retired in '01, my employer had an $800 cap on health insurance. Unless we chose the "Cadillac" plan, we could get by with no out of pocket cost. That was great. A couple of years ago (before Obmacare) a colleague told me that the cap had been raised to $1,500, and that employees were still paying above and beyond that.

So, if my employer (if I still had one) told me that he was dropping the current plan due to a $29 increase, I'd ask just what he'd been smoking.

Small business.
 
Two things I've found interesting in the discussion so far: It appears that nobody noticed that I called it "Obamneycare."

The other thing that nobody's really pointed out is that Medicare was once as hated as the ACA. Ronald Reagan did radio ads against it back in the day. Now his party is all "Keep your government out of my Medicare." It seems that once they got used to Medicare, they liked it.


I've been on Medicare for a few years now. Without it, who would sell me health insurance? I seriously doubt that there is much interest in selling insurance to the 70+ demographic.
 
It is a great idea and hopefully the first step on the road to Universial health care.

I believe we should have UHC and also make the entire medical service industry non profit. However I feel that the ACA is just a horrible law and really does nothing to combat our current systems biggest problem and that is cost.
 
You forget the employer is not the only factor in the insurance. So are the insurance companies. Did you know that each person pays $29 dollars a month to cover those who do not have insurance? For the company I work for that means premiums are an extra 139200 per year on top of the already increasing premium. Now do you get it? ObamaCare sucks!

Don't blame that cost on Obamacare...
I guess you were aware that
most of us who do have health insurance have been paying for the uninsured. even before Obamacare was passed.

No one can guarantee that he or she will not need healthcare, and most people without insurance are unable to pay for the care they receive. As a result, they shift those costs to the rest of us, either because the government picks up the tab or because hospitals required to treat the sick regardless of ability to pay pass on the costs to others in higher fees. The uninsured thereby shift about $43 billion in costs each year to the rest of us, increasing the average premium for insured families by more than $1,000 a year.

Why Obama's Healthcare Law Is Constitutional | The Nation

When the uninsured become insured under Obamacare the cost to pay for the unisured should go down.
 
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I believe we should have UHC and also make the entire medical service industry non profit. However I feel that the ACA is just a horrible law and really does nothing to combat our current systems biggest problem and that is cost.

I feel like I should hire a programmer to write script for me so that everything I write on this topic automatically inserts "Obviously it's not ideal and everybody on the left wanted UHC to begin with, but" at the beginning of every post.

Anyway, the ACA expands coverage to more poor people (16 million is the number I'm told), prevents people from being denied due to pre-existing conditions, prevents people from being dropped when they become too costly, and allows interstate shopping. And the mandate itself spreads the risk so that when healthy people who refused to get health insurance go to the emergency room where they learn that...oops!...they're human after all. That's an improvement.
 
I feel like I should hire a programmer to write script for me so that everything I write on this topic automatically inserts "Obviously it's not ideal and everybody on the left wanted UHC to begin with, but" at the beginning of every post.

Anyway, the ACA expands coverage to more poor people (16 million is the number I'm told), prevents people from being denied due to pre-existing conditions, prevents people from being dropped when they become too costly, and allows interstate shopping. And the mandate itself spreads the risk so that when healthy people who refused to get health insurance go to the emergency room where they learn that...oops!...they're human after all. That's an improvement.

Allows interstate shopping? Isn't that the right wing solution to the rising costs? I didn't know that was even in the bill.
 
Allows interstate shopping? Isn't that the right wing solution to the rising costs? I didn't know that was even in the bill.

Regulations intended to reduce prices through competition will make plans and prices more transparent and price comparisons more accessible for consumers with online information;[143][144][145] and federally approved, multi-state plans will be phased-into state exchanges[146] to help guarantee enough options.

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Am I reading that wrong?
 
Why are you people so dead set on giving up your right to life? I just can't figure this out.

Why are you people so dead set on poor people being left sick and in the cold while roving packs of rabid wildebeasts gnaw on their limbs and steal their children off into the night?

/hysteria
 
Your initial premise is flawed. It's a step in the wrong direction and only suits the interests of those who made deals with Obama so that he could pass this vanity piece.

I don't agree. Some deals, like with the insurance companies, had to made to push this forward. Making deals is deeply imbedded in our system, for better or worse. It's not new. But the direction is towards more coverage and not less, with higher standards and not less, and with some personal accountability and not less.
 
The company is a small business.... :roll:

Oh. And therefore, a $29 dollar a year increase in premiums was enough for them to seek out a different carrier, one that actually charges more (according to your earlier posts), and yet the double digit increases in premiums of years past didn't cause them to drop the carrier.

I think you're being fed a load of malarkey, sorry.
 
Oh. And therefore, a $29 dollar a year increase in premiums was enough for them to seek out a different carrier, one that actually charges more (according to your earlier posts), and yet the double digit increases in premiums of years past didn't cause them to drop the carrier.

I think you're being fed a load of malarkey, sorry.

They didn't drop the carrier. They dropped the plan. There is a difference.
 
They didn't drop the carrier. They dropped the plan. There is a difference.

So, you have a different plan with the same carrier, are paying higher premiums, and you changed because of a $29 a year increase.

Do I have it right now?
 
So, you have a different plan with the same carrier, are paying higher premiums, and you changed because of a $29 a year increase.

Do I have it right now?

Sort of. They dropped all of the plans at work and got new plans, and still higher premiums. Blue Cross said the increase was due to regulations on the INSURANCE industry which forced our company to seek different plans, even though they could have just dropped us altogether.
 
Nope.

I wonder why we haven't heard that one from the right wingers? That's what they've wanted all along! If premiums don't plummet now, then it would have to mean that their solution doesn't work.

So was the individual mandate. See Romneycare.

But if they admitted it, they'd have a hard time convincing everybody that they're against it.
 
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