View Poll Results: Will Obamney care succeed

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    36 52.94%
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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't select any of the answers because I don't think ACA is perfect. It's a step. I accept it as just that, a step in the right direction. So, if you change the nuggets and fires to To Steak and Lobster, I'd vote for that.
    I agree. It is like Social Security and will require fine tuning. Parts will be great, other parts will be awful. A net gain on the people's side of the Corporatocracy.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Will RomneyCare on a national scale succeed?
    If there is close to 100% compliance, yes. If a ton of people avoid getting health insurance coupled with the federal mandate to hospitals to treat anyone and everyone at the ER regardless of their ability to pay, no. The macro picture is everyone already has some level of access to healthcare. People with no insurance show up at the ER and their costs are passed onto those with insurance. As I see it the ACA in large part simply gets everyone paying and not passing their uninsured treatment onto the insured. The cost of insurance should go down and should the cost of treatment.

    I still don't like the "insurance" aspect of this. We don't need insurance, we need healthcare but its hard to get people to think of solutions outside of the familiar. I prefer direct individual and family, one size fits all, unlimited access, competition driven health contracts with hospitals and doctor groups. The only insurance I prefer is carried by the hospitals or doctor groups to cover them in cases where their costs go through the roof due to very expensive treatment on patients with severe health issues.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Will ObamneyCare work?
    as a first step to real national health care, maybe. however, as a long term stand alone program, i doubt it is sustainable. it's going to be picked apart piece by piece by Republicans throwing tantrums. first, they are going to get the medical device tax rescinded as a bone in the coming months, and that's part of what funds it. there will probably be a delay of implementation, and it's possible that the penalty for not getting insurance will eventually be reduced or eliminated. more employers will get exemptions, as well. granted, i don't think an employer should be a health care provider.

    it was well intentioned, but we should have just done medicare for all. the public option should have been the final compromise; had that made it through, the law might have been more workable. hopefully we can transition single payer once the makeup of congress is different, but i think it will take at least a decade to get there, and probably longer.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Costs as a result of ObamaCare.
    I see. So, Obamacare actually is so bad that it is causing an increase in premium cost retroactively.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    as a first step to real national health care, maybe. however, as a long term stand alone program, i doubt it is sustainable. it's going to be picked apart piece by piece by Republicans throwing tantrums. first, they are going to get the medical device tax rescinded as a bone in the coming months, and that's part of what funds it. there will probably be a delay of implementation, and it's possible that the penalty for not getting insurance will eventually be reduced or eliminated. more employers will get exemptions, as well. granted, i don't think an employer should be a health care provider.

    it was well intentioned, but we should have just done medicare for all. the public option should have been the final compromise; had that made it through, the law might have been more workable. hopefully we can transition single payer once the makeup of congress is different, but i think it will take at least a decade to get there, and probably longer.
    At least that long. They're already ranting about "socialism" with a market based system like Obamacare. What would they say should we try to join the rest of the world with a real universal health care plan? Communism!
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Exactly how are they recovered?
    Liens, recovery agents that work for the hospital, recovery agents that don't work for the hospital, the list goes on. What, you think the hospital just bills the government directly when someone says they are unable to pay? I thought you claimed to work in the healthcare admin field, you seem to be missing some very basic knowledge that all admitting personnel know.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That makes no sense. The employer is not mandated to have health care at all just yet. What makes sense is that the employer found a way to get out from under the costs of health insurance, at least for a while. Employees can now get their own plans at a subsidized rate, after all.
    Yeah, that's precisely what is happenning. The employers no longer have to provide those benefits because the government now does. Hope folks are happy with the change, but I know they aren't.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Our current health care system DOES WORK for the 1% and those who never get sick and those who hate our government....
    That is about 20-30% or so....
    The other 70 - 80 % do not matter..... far too many don't vote......
    1% = 20-30%? Once again, I thought you liberals claim to be the intelligent ones, where are your math skills? 40 million [uninsured] is what percentage of 310 million [US population]? Go ahead, ask a conservative to do the math for you.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I see. So, Obamacare actually is so bad that it is causing an increase in premium cost retroactively.
    Not sure what you mean by them increasing retroactively....
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, that's precisely what is happenning. The employers no longer have to provide those benefits because the government now does. Hope folks are happy with the change, but I know they aren't.
    I'm sure they aren't. But, then, what happens when the employer mandate kicks in in a year? Are they going to fire everybody, hire them part time, or pay the cost of health insurance?

    Clearly, the way to go about this is to take the burden of health insurance off of the backs of the employers.
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