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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Do you know what happens to your health insurance premium?

    Many things. So what? When are you going to read the bill?
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It will provide access to health care for millions who don't currently have it. It will make it easier to leave the corporate world and open a small business.
    It empowers the corporate world by putting added costs on small businesses that will slow their growth.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Our current system does not work. Why doesn't that bother the right?
    Our current health care system DOES WORK for the 1% and those who never get sick and those who hate our government....
    That is about 20-30% or so....
    The other 70 - 80 % do not matter..... far too many don't vote......

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Our current health care system DOES WORK for the 1% and those who never get sick and those who hate our government....
    That is about 20-30% or so....
    The other 70 - 80 % do not matter..... far too many don't vote......
    Those who hate government? So they're anarchists? Could it be that people just don't feel the government should be involved in healthcare?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It empowers the corporate world by putting added costs on small businesses that will slow their growth.
    Yes, no doubt, as small businesses are exempt from the employer mandate.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, no doubt, as small businesses are exempt from the employer mandate.
    The point being is that once they reach a certain size they will have to follow the mandate which will add extra costs to their business. As such, businesses will hold off growth for longer than they otherwise would. Like it or not that is bad for the economy as it will limit employment chances and protect bigger businesses from competition.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The point being is that once they reach a certain size they will have to follow the mandate which will add extra costs to their business. As such, businesses will hold off growth for longer than they otherwise would. Like it or not that is bad for the economy as it will limit employment chances and protect bigger businesses from competition.
    Once they reach that certain size, then they're not small businesses any more.

    The best option would be to remove the responsibility for providing health insurance from employers altogether, but exempting small businesses from the mandate while making it possible for the owners and their employees to go on the state exchange and be covered that way is an encouragement for people to break away from the corporate world or from government employment and strike out in the business world on their own.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, until Obama started making noise my premiums and coverage had remained stable for years.
    Then count yourself lucky.
    Our premiums have been skyrocketing for almost 40 years.
    It is just the last couple of years they have slowed down.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Once they reach that certain size, then they're not small businesses any more.
    Doesn't much matter to the great point. You need businesses to be able to grow and compete and government causing business greater hardship to do so is damaging to the economy in terms of wages, employment, and other competitive forces.

    The best option would be to remove the responsibility for providing health insurance from employers altogether, but exempting small businesses from the mandate while making it possible for the owners and their employees to go on the state exchange and be covered that way is an encouragement for people to break away from the corporate world or from government employment and strike out in the business world on their own.
    The best option is to end the responsibility on businesses to cover healthcare insurance needs, while not going the government route to solve healthcare needs.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Then count yourself lucky.
    Our premiums have been skyrocketing for almost 40 years.
    It is just the last couple of years they have slowed down.
    This was our progression

    Great Healthcare for self and family paid for by company.

    Great Healthcare free for employee and spouse, small monthly deduction for children.

    Great healthcare free for employee, remainder of family for moderate monthly payroll deduction

    Great healthcare - moderate payroll deduction for employee and family.

    Good coverage, less choices. MOderate deduction - for serious conditions, likely unwelcome interference from insurance company.

    Multiple coverage options low /medium/high. Low was likely a really really crappy HMO. Medium was something like your old plan, but higher deductibles, lower maximum limits (would not cover a major health crisis like cancer). High was basically your old good plan, but your are paying a whole lot more.

    Same type plans, coverage tweaked to exclude some prior coverage. Price increased. Kaiser added in addition to low/middle/high coverage. Kaiser had what seemed to be better options, but patient experiences vary wildly - cost higher than other plans. h

    Same type plans, drug formularies contracted. Coverage tweaked, some coverage eliminated. Very many drugs considered "off formulary" and full cost charged. Much higher premiums.

    The above was prior to Obamacare

    Same type plans higher cost

    Same type plans - even higher cost - but that increase is wiped away (and then some) if you join their healthy choices plan.

    Now - Much of coverage is the same - no preexisting condition issues - no lifetime maximum issues. Kid stays on despite preexisting condition until 26. This year there will again be very slight increase - again enrollment in healthy choices program will take away all the extra.

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