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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If you lost it, why are you still paying premiums, doubled or otherwise?

    If you had insurance before, why would you go on the state exchanges and get a new policy?

    Did you have a policy that didn't qualify because it left too much out?

    Your post raises more questions than it answers.
    He'll have to answer those questions for himself, but quite a few people I know lost their insurance when their workplace stopped the benefit in light of Obamacare, driving them to the exchanges.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    He'll have to answer those questions for himself, but quite a few people I know lost their insurance when their workplace stopped the benefit in light of Obamacare, driving them to the exchanges.
    While the individual mandate kicks in in '14, the employer mandate doesn't kick in until '15, thus giving the less honorable employers a way to make a few extra bucks in the meantime.

    So, they lost their insurance due to the way Obamacare is being implemented.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Exactly what I figured. I was at one point at least as far right wing as you and got all my information from the RW noise machine too. Back about 2000 (or maybe late 90's) I went back to get my masters degree in a field of healtcare administration, I decided to direct as much of my studies as possible to show myself how horrible UHC was so I could communicate that to others. As I learned to understand exactly how studies were conducted and what evidnce meant, I began to study UHC. I was very suprised to find out how far superior UHC is to our system in nearly every measure. It seems pretty much everything I believed was BS. I know well how uncomfortable that feeling is. So I wont press you on the issue.
    I've worked in the healthcare field on and off for decades and I'm tired of the same slogans/memes that circulate among the pilgrims. Since you are up on healthcare/hospital/clinic costs, you know that the majority of the uninsured emergency room use costs are eventually recovered. Not to mention, unless you demonstrate to the admitting personnel that you have the ability to pay BEFORE you receive any care, more expensive tests and any sort of extended treatment is off the table. You receive just the very basics and then we still come after your once and future earnings/assets.

    I appreciate that you once were a FoxNews republican, but I never have been. Haven't listened to Rush since his first TV show, and then it was only for the comedy value, have always detested folks like Hannity and Beck. Even when I was a staunch republican I listened to and read sources from all sides of the spectrum trying to identify the truth from the bias.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am on several boards all the time and talk to lots of people. But I was just thinking when I read this post...I dont know that I have heard one single person that doesnt self identify as conservative complain about ACA screwing them over. Is there some self identified liberal on this fourm that has been screwed by it?
    The liberals won't complain because it would screw Obama's narrative.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If you lost it, why are you still paying premiums, doubled or otherwise?

    If you had insurance before, why would you go on the state exchanges and get a new policy?

    Did you have a policy that didn't qualify because it left too much out?

    Your post raises more questions than it answers.
    My plan got dropped and we had to go with a different plan. Does that clear it up for you? So much for being able to keep your current plan.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    I dont beleive that, partisanship only goes so far, screw someone over personally and I bet the partisanship ends right there. So you have noticed the same thing too?
    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The liberals won't complain because it would screw Obama's narrative.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    While the individual mandate kicks in in '14, the employer mandate doesn't kick in until '15, thus giving the less honorable employers a way to make a few extra bucks in the meantime.

    So, they lost their insurance due to the way Obamacare is being implemented.
    Okay, doesn't change that fact that they lost their insurance because of Obamacare. They'd probably still have it if it weren't for Obamacare.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Exactly how are they recovered?
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I've worked in the healthcare field on and off for decades and I'm tired of the same slogans/memes that circulate among the pilgrims. Since you are up on healthcare/hospital/clinic costs, you know that the majority of the uninsured emergency room use costs are eventually recovered. Not to mention, unless you demonstrate to the admitting personnel that you have the ability to pay BEFORE you receive any care, more expensive tests and any sort of extended treatment is off the table. You recieve just the very basics and then we still come after your once and future earnings/assets.

    I appreciate that you once were a FoxNews republican, but I never have been. Haven't listened to Rush since his first TV show, and then it was only for the comedy value, have always detested folks like Hannity and Beck. Even when I was a staunch republican I listened to and read sources from all sides of the spectrum trying to identify the truth from the bias.

    The only discomfort I feel is in the loss of my freedom and that my grandchildren will never know what they missed.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    My plan got dropped and we had to go with a different plan. Does that clear it up for you? So much for being able to keep your current plan.
    Your plan got dropped by whom? By your employer? Why? Remember the employer mandate is not yet in force. It doesn't make sense that it was dropped as a result of Obamacare.

    Medical care plans have been increasing in cost faster than inflation for quite some time now. What makes sense is that the plan was dropped due to costs to your employer. Now, is the entire premium more, or just the part that you pay? If the entire premium is more, why would your employer have chosen it?
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Okay, doesn't change that fact that they lost their insurance because of Obamacare. They'd probably still have it if it weren't for Obamacare.
    That makes no sense. The employer is not mandated to have health care at all just yet. What makes sense is that the employer found a way to get out from under the costs of health insurance, at least for a while. Employees can now get their own plans at a subsidized rate, after all.
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