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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    If by 'working' you mean be a complete and utter fiscal nightmare that will cause the fed to shut it down and, shucks, have to go to a universal healthcare program...yes.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    I think the VA would be a wonderful system for the rest of the nation. I dont disagree with the rest of your points about how it was done, I just know we had to do something.
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    I think you give the right wing media too much credit. Who listens to talk radio anymore, just the same right wing hearing what they want to hear. Whose minds wouldn’t be changed no matter what. Perhaps we did have to do something, that is to take care of those who were uninsured. But I do not think the ACA was the right way to go. The ACA’s dynamics were written and promises said based on all the changes it, the law, people and companies wouldn’t change their habits, their routines from what they were doing prior to the law being passed.
    But people adjust, companies adjust. What made sense for some companies to offer their employees health insurances prior to the law, might not make sense to do so after the law was passed. The additional mandates that health insurance must now offer also drives up the price. You can expect additional coverage of dependents, say from 18 to 26 to be able to stay on their parents insurance not to drive up the premium. Having to cover everyone with pre-existing conditions will also drive up the premiums to those who didn’t have those conditions. There is plenty of other examples, but you get the idea.

    The same can be said of taxes the same as premiums. If each of us had to wait until April 15th and then pay one’s full taxes instead of having them taken out each paycheck there would be a massive uprising in the streets over taxation. I agree that most people do not know the difference between gross and net income. Money people do not see is not missed.

    I still think a VA style system would have been a better way to take care of the uninsured. Not the whole scale chances brought on with this law. But it is here and I am willing to live with it. There are 5 different doctors the wife and me go to see that are either retiring or going to another country to work. They cite Obamacare for their reason for either retiring or leaving. I never realized how many doctors we have from places like Canada, India and Asia practicing in this country. How many of them will remain? I don’t know and no one else does either. I fear this fight over the ACA will go on and on and on much like the fight over abortion.

    As for Obama, I really do not see all that much difference between him and Bush the 2nd. President that I have experienced and was old enough to know what they were doing and their policies that I like and thought of the most were Eisenhower, JFK, Clinton and Reagan. LBJ somewhere in the middle and the rest I would call second or third tier.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    I was told there would be McNuggets and fries here. Now, where are they?!
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Exactly what I figured. I was at one point at least as far right wing as you and got all my information from the RW noise machine too. Back about 2000 (or maybe late 90's) I went back to get my masters degree in a field of healtcare administration, I decided to direct as much of my studies as possible to show myself how horrible UHC was so I could communicate that to others. As I learned to understand exactly how studies were conducted and what evidnce meant, I began to study UHC. I was very suprised to find out how far superior UHC is to our system in nearly every measure. It seems pretty much everything I believed was BS. I know well how uncomfortable that feeling is. So I wont press you on the issue.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Where are the Massachusetts responders ?
    They are the ones who matter....
    All the others, liberal and conservative both - should be ignored.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think the VA would be a wonderful system for the rest of the nation. I dont disagree with the rest of your points about how it was done, I just know we had to do something.
    You may be right about having to do something, I am not sure. But I do think it is better to look real good before you leap. I know hindsight is 20/20, but perhaps open hearings and maybe a TV in the room, say C-SPAN while the committee drew up the legislation, letting the people hear what changes are being proposed and going to take place. I do not think Speaker at that time Pelosi helped the ACA when she told members of the house, that they would first have to pass the bill before knowing what was in it. Doing things behind closed doors and then leaving an impression that our Representatives had to vote on something they knew nothing about probably, like me, caused a lot of that 58% to be against it. After all this wasn't the 1950's when the majority of people trusted their government, those days are long passed.

    It didn't help the ACA with the bribes given to Nelson and Landreau and a couple of more being plastered all over CNN either. It didn't help when a few congressmen complained about the DNC and the DCCC threating to with hold election/campaign funds from those Democrats who voted against it. The whole thing smelled. This is why 2010 happened.

    perhaps incremental changes to the health care system was the right way to go. Changes made in front of the peoples eyes, changes that can be explained as being good for them instead of just one huge bite. That was another problem the Democrats had since the beginning, they weren't able to explain in layman's language due to the complexity of the law how it would effect/affect each individual who had insurance already. It still is a uphill battle I think, won legislative, but not with the people.

    I think as long as a majority of Americans are against the law it will continue to be a thorn in the side of democrats. From 2009 to 2013, using RCP averages, those in favor of the law rose only from 36% to 40% while those opposed fell from 58% to 51%. Yes, perhaps something needed to be done. But I think it is always better doing something with the people behind you than against you. Time will tell on the ACA, whether it is scraped, fixed, improved, or just chugs along as an major irritant to all only because it has became a political football that one side will not let be fix and the other side will not abandon a broken piece of legislation.

    Time will tell.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It will succeed at bringing coverage to tens of millions of people who go without and decrease costs on some who are struggling to make ends meet. Sadly, it will increase costs on others who are also struggling to make ends meet. Those premiums may lower in the long run, but it is difficult to be sure.
    I just lost my insurance plan today because of it, AND my premiums went up, AND my deductible DOUBLED!
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    I am on several boards all the time and talk to lots of people. But I was just thinking when I read this post...I dont know that I have heard one single person that doesnt self identify as conservative complain about ACA screwing them over. Is there some self identified liberal on this fourm that has been screwed by it?
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    I just lost my insurance plan today because of it, AND my premiums went up, AND my deductible DOUBLED!
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It has been working for hundreds of millions for decades.

    BTW, can you answer the original question that was asked of you: Have you read it?
    Really?

    Since before astralopithacus and the Olduvai Gorge?

    Update:

    Wups. Misread the post.

    Yes, it works for "hundreds of millions", or perhaps 85% of the population. It doesn't work well, it costs way too much, but it does work for some of us.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I just lost my insurance plan today because of it, AND my premiums went up, AND my deductible DOUBLED!
    If you lost it, why are you still paying premiums, doubled or otherwise?

    If you had insurance before, why would you go on the state exchanges and get a new policy?

    Did you have a policy that didn't qualify because it left too much out?

    Your post raises more questions than it answers.
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