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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Will RomneyCare on a national scale succeed?
    I think it boils down to no choice but to make it work even if it drives up the price of insurance, gives those who had insurance less coverage for more money and leads to long lines and less doctors. Repeal of the ACA isn't going to happen. To have enough votes to repeal it, the Republicans would have to maintain control of the House, win the presidency and win at least 60 seats in the senate.

    But on second thought, belay that 60 votes to break a filibuster. The SCOTUS ruled it a tax and a simple majority of 51 votes would be enough due to the quirks in the senate chamber and filibuster rules. So perhaps repeal is feasible, but still highly unlikely.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Our current system does not work. Why doesnt that bother the right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think it boils down to no choice but to make it work even if it drives up the price of insurance, gives those who had insurance less coverage for more money and leads to long lines and less doctors. Repeal of the ACA isn't going to happen. To have enough votes to repeal it, the Republicans would have to maintain control of the House, win the presidency and win at least 60 seats in the senate.

    But on second thought, belay that 60 votes to break a filibuster. The SCOTUS ruled it a tax and a simple majority of 51 votes would be enough due to the quirks in the senate chamber and filibuster rules. So perhaps repeal is feasible, but still highly unlikely.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Our current system does not work. Why doesnt that bother the right?
    Because it wasn't designed by the Democrats.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Our current system does not work. Why doesnt that bother the right?
    you will have to ask them. I think the survey results prior to the passage of the ACA was 80% of Americans were satisfied with the insurance they had. they didn't want to lose or change what they had even to add some uninsured to the roles. They were afraid that they would be forced to make changes and the cost would go up. It seems at this point in time, they were right. This is where that 58% came from that opposed the ACA when it was passed. They had their insurance and wanted to keep it as it is/was.

    Fact is even today, a slight majority still oppose the ACA. I think there was a better way to take care of the uninsured if that was what this law was all about. How about setting up a VA style system for them instead of making everyone change their insurance?

    I don't know if the law is good or bad. Frankly I don't care. What bothered me about this law, the ACA and it still does is the way it was passed. I watched C-SPAN and seen the debate, then the threats, the bribes, the whip being pulled out by the democratic leadership to make their members vote for it. This bill, the ACA certainly did not pass on its merits. How this all will play out time will tell. I do not think the law is the panacea the Democrats say it is or is near as bad as the republicans say it will be. The truth is somewhere in the middle. But I will probably be against the law no matter how good or bad it is because of the way it was passed.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Because it wasn't designed by the Democrats.
    I really wish the right had started designing the American Health Care Reform Act sooner and fleshed out the details a little better rather than the pointless repeated attempts of "repeal the ACA first and we'll go from there" strategy. A compromise might have been possible, of a reformed version of either health care reform plan. As it stands, the ACA is better than nothing.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    I know we have to do something. I think most people who state they are happy with their healthcare simply are not aware of the way the system operates and they fear change. It amazes me only a slight majority oppose ACA since there is a 24/7 right wing noise machine screaming about anything that does not contribute to the profit of the healthcare system. Few Americans realize what happens to their healtcare costs every year anyway since premiums are taken out of their paychecks, it goes up and up and up, every year all the time. I think Obama has shown something we have not seen for years in this country from the President, leadership. It is obviously not an outrageously popular cause, but it is one this country must do someday.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    you will have to ask them. I think the survey results prior to the passage of the ACA was 80% of Americans were satisfied with the insurance they had. they didn't want to lose or change what they had even to add some uninsured to the roles. They were afraid that they would be forced to make changes and the cost would go up. It seems at this point in time, they were right. This is where that 58% came from that opposed the ACA when it was passed. They had their insurance and wanted to keep it as it is/was.

    Fact is even today, a slight majority still oppose the ACA. I think there was a better way to take care of the uninsured if that was what this law was all about. How about setting up a VA style system for them instead of making everyone change their insurance?

    I don't know if the law is good or bad. Frankly I don't care. What bothered me about this law, the ACA and it still does is the way it was passed. I watched C-SPAN and seen the debate, then the threats, the bribes, the whip being pulled out by the democratic leadership to make their members vote for it. This bill, the ACA certainly did not pass on its merits. How this all will play out time will tell. I do not think the law is the panacea the Democrats say it is or is near as bad as the republicans say it will be. The truth is somewhere in the middle. But I will probably be against the law no matter how good or bad it is because of the way it was passed.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Because it wasn't designed by the Democrats.

    Neither was Obamneycare


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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    define succeed.

    will insurance companies love it? probably.

    will health care become more affordable? not a chance in hell

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Obamacare is a very optimistic bill. It is banking on the fact that now that people have medical insurance they will be willing to go to the doctors and recieve preventative care, which would hopefully drive down medical costs, etc. This seems like something that is very dependent. I previously had health insurance but the idea of having to take off so much time and do so much work just to get seen deters me anyways, I wait till the last minute still. Luckily for me nothing bad has happened personally, but others will probably feel the same way. There will be more people in health care facilities, this means wait times will be longer and it will be harder to get seen. All this is going against the logic that was argued. Now I will say that people deserve the chance to get medical coverage that is affordable, though I do not know how to formulate a system that treats both aspects, hence why I am not a politician. At this point I am not sure which method is better, I know for a fact the prior method systematically left out 15% of the population, this leads me to believe that we should at least dabble with the idea.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Our current system does not work.

    It has been working for hundreds of millions for decades.

    BTW, can you answer the original question that was asked of you: Have you read it?
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