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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Lets take a look at federal/government run programs:

    Postal service = failure
    Social Security = failure
    Federal Reserve = failure
    Obamacare = ?

    I guess we still have not learned from the past, so we are bound to repeat our failures...

    Obamacare = most likely, failure.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    I'm not so sure any of those are failures, so that's a pretty bad argument. Those programs do highlight a few problems with the government: profligacy, inefficiency, etc., but they also do deliver the services promised and except for the Fed, are broadly popular.

    If Obamacare is merely as successful as Social Security, the program will be with us for our lifetimes. Personally I doubt it will even come close, because it creates too many losers and not enough winners, which in political terms means trouble even if it works as a model of efficiency.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Have you read the ACA ? Are you a Ted Cruz,supporter ?
    Nope. Not a supporter. Nope. The thing is too long to read and reading it would hardly help. You need a rather large socio-economic impact study that would cost a couple of millions to do.

    So you have done that?

    PS: There are certain drivers of so fundamental impact, however, that some consequences are clear. For instance introduction of a program that companies have problems understanding and potentially affect their bottom line as Obamacare might and furthermore cause immediate costs in time and money slow growth. That is a no-brainer. Also it seems the program will cost the government money at the beginning. As we are going to have to reduce spending or increase taxes in the very near future and the economy is slithering along on the edge of recession, it is a very stupid time to initiate the program.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's an infringement on personal liberty, period. It is unlike auto insurance because driving is optional.
    All government regulations are a form of "infringement" whether the activity regulated is optional or not. The issue is
    whether or not the "infringement" serves an overriding social need.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, we need a govt forced to operate within budget and within statutory limits on taxation.
    That cannot now be achieved without a tax increase



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It is ponzi because it relies on healthy subscribers to fund the unhealthy subscribers.
    ALL MEDICAL INSURANCE RELIES ON THE HEALTHY TO FUND THE UNHEALTHY.

    Also, you do not understand what a ponzi scheme even is. Look it up.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The difference is that under obamacare, insurers are required to offer insurance to those that are sick right now. There is no period of premium payment with no payout for the company to invest.
    I previously drew attention to this.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The number of truly uninsurable persons is statistically insignificant.
    According to the Health and Human Services Department up to 50 million people under the age of 65 may have high-risk conditions making insurance prohibitive or impossible. See link:

    A pre-existing health-conditions study says half the country is uninsurable.

    Note the study gives a range of 19-50% vulnerable under the age of 65, so even if the figures are exaggerated by several factors they still are a significant percentage.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The numbers are very low, and they'd have been better served by an expansion of medicare than they are under obamacare.
    The numbers are not low, and Medicare is already under progressive, continuing strain.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by francois60 View Post
    Studies are conflicting on that point. The thing about preventive medicine is that you're paying a small amount, but you're paying for everyone, whereas with emergencies you're only paying for the few who have emergencies.
    and, with preventative medicine, there are a lot fewer emergencies.

    Moreover, if the individual has insurance that allows him to visit a doctor's office or clinic, then non emergencies don't have to be treated at the emergency room.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and, with preventative medicine, there are a lot fewer emergencies.

    Moreover, if the individual has insurance that allows him to visit a doctor's office or clinic, then non emergencies don't have to be treated at the emergency room.
    Nor should they be. Not even by those insured who go there for convenience.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Its a terrible Idea it does not account for greed every good idea turns out to bite . I can already imagine some people rubbing their hands eagerly ( l ike mr. Burns saying "excellent" )

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    All government regulations are a form of "infringement" whether the activity regulated is optional or not. The issue is
    whether or not the "infringement" serves an overriding social need.
    And what is and what is not "overriding social need" is largely opinion. I imagine our opinions differ there.

    That cannot now be achieved without a tax increase
    Far from true. There's a lot of excess that can be cut and inefficiencies that can be eliminated.

    ALL MEDICAL INSURANCE RELIES ON THE HEALTHY TO FUND THE UNHEALTHY.
    Which makes Obamacare inefficient (bad law)

    Also, you do not understand what a ponzi scheme even is. Look it up.
    I'm well aware of what it is.

    I previously drew attention to this.
    and ignored it's impact on this particular law.

    According to the Health and Human Services Department up to 50 million people under the age of 65 may have high-risk conditions making insurance prohibitive or impossible. See link:

    A pre-existing health-conditions study says half the country is uninsurable.

    Note the study gives a range of 19-50% vulnerable under the age of 65, so even if the figures are exaggerated by several factors they still are a significant percentage.
    Hmm, a number in excess of the entirety of the uninsured in America...according to the commonly used emotional language meant to drive passage of the law. Curious.

    The numbers are not low, and Medicare is already under progressive, continuing strain.
    The numbers are statistically low (the number of total uninsured Americans for any reason was merely 12-15%), and not all persons with "pre-existing conditions" were uninsured to begin with.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Far from true. There's a lot of excess that can be cut and inefficiencies that can be eliminated.
    The deficit would still be in the $100s billion even if several entire cabinet departments were abolished.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Which makes Obamacare inefficient (bad law)
    Which makes it conceptually identical to all other insurance.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm well aware of what it is.
    Now that you’ve looked it up.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    and ignored it's impact on this particular law.
    What do you mean ignored? I said it might cause a train wreck.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Hmm, a number in excess of the entirety of the uninsured in America...according to the commonly used emotional language meant to drive passage of the law. Curious.
    Apprx. 50 million has been the estimate for years now.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The numbers are statistically low (the number of total uninsured Americans for any reason was merely 12-15%), and not all persons with "pre-existing conditions" were uninsured to begin with.
    12%, 15%- Either number is scandalous, and if you can’t get on board with that then I don’t think it is any use discussing it further.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and, with preventative medicine, there are a lot fewer emergencies.

    Moreover, if the individual has insurance that allows him to visit a doctor's office or clinic, then non emergencies don't have to be treated at the emergency room.
    Not necessarily. Like I said, the studies are conflicting. Especially since the US health care system is often criticized for overtesting.

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