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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No the plan did qualify, ObamaCare just SUCKS!



    I'll bet that you voted for that loser, Mitt Romney, last November, eh?

    Where is that guy? We haven't heard much about him lately.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why would a Romney voter not like it?
    Didn't he sign a similar measure into law in Michigan? Isn't that where the term "Obamneycare" comes from?



    As you probably know, it's not the plan it's the man who shoved it through Congress against the wishes of the G-nO-P that the far right really doesn't like. The GOP will probably be whining about this until they join the Whigs in thirty years or so.

    And they will get zero sympathy from me.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why would a Romney voter not like it? Didn't he sign a similar measure into law in Michigan? Isn't that where the term "Obamneycare" comes from?
    Actually Mitt Romney signed a similar measure in Mass.

    Mitt's father George was the Governor of Michigan during the 1960's.

    I wish his dad had started Romneycare for Michigan back then.
    Last edited by minnie616; 10-13-13 at 12:15 PM. Reason: During the 60s
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    But pretty much anywhere they would want to live would already have UHC.
    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It will not only succeed, eventually it will be changed into a single-payer plan for all American health-care consumers.

    Anyone who doesn't like it probably voter for Romney last November. If it bothers them enough they can always leave the USA.

    The entrance to the exit is wide open.




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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Bad Law
    It might be, but most so for the following reasons rather than for any you give.

    (1) Premium costs are little if any lower with the bill than without it, so the incentive to buy in at several times the penalty for not buying in will for many be absent.

    (2) The system is wide open for being gamed by people who do not buy in until they get sick.

    If enough people opt for the penalty and for playing the game then there could be a real train wreck.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    First, it's an infringement on personal liberty...always contentious in a freedom loving society.
    It is an infringement necessary to keep the public and the medical industry from having to foot the bill for uninsured expenses. The same general principle applies to mandatory auto liability insurance.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Second, it raises taxes....stupidly.
    Taxes should never have been reduced by that silly little prick GW Bush, and they should have been raised again as soon as we went to war in 2001. We have needed a tax increase ever since, over and above anything ACA does.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How is making medical equipment more expensive going to reduce costs?
    I also have doubts about the wisdom of this. It is not worth throwing the entire bill out for, though.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Third, it's a bit senseless...the ponzi scheme
    It is not ponzi because the customers do not buy in for profit, but to avoid having to pay for a loss out of their own pockets.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    requires young healthy subscribers to keep it afloat,
    The viability of ALL insurance relies upon income from people who do not have to make a claim for loss, didn't you know that? Among health insurance policyholders those are necessarily going to be younger in average age, and they will pay significantly lower rates. The opposite is true in auto insurance, where young policyholders produce a higher rate of claims and consequently pay higher premiums.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    but makes it possible to remain on mommy and daddy's plan until 26.
    I also have doubts about the wisdom of this. It is not worth throwing the entire bill out for, though.



    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Last, it really does nothing of value except benefit health insurers....and if anyone deserves a break here, it ain't them.
    That is ridiculous. The presently uninsurable obtain a product of essentially unlimited value.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    . ...requires young healthy subscribers to keep it afloat, but makes it possible to remain on mommy and daddy's plan until 26....
    The way I understand it the ACA only allows them to remain on mommy and daddy until 26 if they are a full time student or living at home with mommy and daddy.
    If they have a different address and are not a full time student they cannot remain on the policy .
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It will not only succeed, eventually it will be changed into a single-payer plan for all American health-care consumers.

    Anyone who doesn't like it probably voter for Romney last November. If it bothers them enough they can always leave the USA.

    The entrance to the exit is wide open.




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    Actually, if it works, people will want to keep it. Why would people switch to a single payer system if they liked their private insurance?

    We have some experience with UHC on a global basis. Countries with these systems nearly always keep them in the basic form they are, forever. Single payer countries stay single payer, multi payer countries stay multi payer. Centralized systems stay centralized, decentralized systems stay decentralized. That's the way entitlements work. If people like it, they don't want to change it.

    So no, single payer is not going to happen, because either a) ACA will work well and the public will support it, or b) it will fail and the public won't trust Democrats when they say, "Well, we have this other idea..."

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    It might be, but most so for the following reasons rather than for any you give.

    (1) Premium costs are little if any lower with the bill than without it, so the incentive to buy in at several times the penalty for not buying in will for many be absent.

    (2) The system is wide open for being gamed by people who do not buy in until they get sick.

    If enough people opt for the penalty and for playing the game then there could be a real train wreck.
    also good examples of why it's bad law.

    It is an infringement necessary to keep the public and the medical industry from having to foot the bill for uninsured expenses. The same general principle applies to mandatory auto liability insurance.
    It's an infringement on personal liberty, period. It is unlike auto insurance because driving is optional.

    Taxes should never have been reduced by that silly little prick GW Bush, and they should have been raised again as soon as we went to war in 2001. We have needed a tax increase ever since, over and above anything ACA does.
    No, we need a govt forced to operate within budget and within statutory limits on taxation.

    I also have doubts about the wisdom of this. It is not worth throwing the entire bill out for, though.
    It is certainly worth revamping it.

    It is not ponzi because the customers do not buy in for profit, but to avoid having to pay for a loss out of their own pockets.
    It is ponzi because it relies on healthy subscribers to fund the unhealthy subscribers.

    The viability of ALL insurance relies upon income from people who do not have to make a claim for loss, didn't you know that? Among health insurance policyholders those are necessarily going to be younger in average age, and they will pay significantly lower rates. The opposite is true in auto insurance, where young policyholders produce a higher rate of claims and consequently pay higher premiums.
    The difference is that under obamacare, insurers are required to offer insurance to those that are sick right now. There is no period of premium payment with no payout for the company to invest.

    That is ridiculous. The presently uninsurable obtain a product of essentially unlimited value.
    The number of truly uninsurable persons is statistically insignificant. The numbers are very low, and they'd have been better served by an expansion of medicare than they are under obamacare.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The way I understand it the ACA only allows them to remain on mommy and daddy until 26 if they are a full time student or living at home with mommy and daddy.
    If they have a different address and are not a full time student they cannot remain on the policy .
    That's not what I've read. Care to substantiate?
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    The argument that we need to foot the bill for people's medical care because we're footing the bill for unpaid medical bills is not very convincing. Either way, you're footing the bill.

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