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Thread: Will ObamneyCare work?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Got it. The plan you had didn't qualify under Obamnycare, so you needed to have a new plan that covered what was mandated to be covered. The new plan cost a bit more in premiums. Your employer could have kept the old plan for another year, of course, but decided to be pro active.

    Plus, the old plan would have cost another $29 a year anyway, so why not change now? It makes sense from that perspective.
    No the plan did qualify, ObamaCare just SUCKS!
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No the plan did qualify, ObamaCare just SUCKS!
    Yes, it must be a bummer that you now have more coverage.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No the plan did qualify, ...
    So why did your company go with the plan that cost more if the other plan did qualify?
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    So why did your company go with the plan that cost more if the other plan did qualify?
    Must be to save that $29 a year. I misread his post, thought it said "didn't qualify".
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    I suspect that the tea party has a grasp on this thread and the poll..much as they do with the gun polls.
    Its a dangerous thing ...minority rule..

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    it already sucks for everyone that had decent insurance as out of pocket expenses doubled and cost went up 25% or more.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Dittohead not!:

    It's $29 per month per employee, although davidtaylorjr seems to have been missing your error. See page 5 reply 91:

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr
    You forget the employer is not the only factor in the insurance. So are the insurance companies. Did you know that each person pays $29 dollars a month to cover those who do not have insurance? For the company I work for that means premiums are an extra 139200 on top of the already increasing premium. Now do you get it? ObamaCare sucks!
    davidtaylorjr:

    So the company has exactly 400 employees? Although not "small" as defined by the ACA, $139,200 could easily be a significant burden for a business that size.

    However, it would not be a significant burden for the employees to foot an extra $29 per month, and I am entitled to say so because my cash flow net is less than minimum wage net, and I could handle it easily.

    So why didn't your employer pass the cost on to you and let you keep the old plan?

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Dittohead not!:

    It's $29 per month per employee, although davidtaylorjr seems to have been missing your error. See page 5 reply 91:



    davidtaylorjr:

    So the company has exactly 400 employees? Although not "small" as defined by the ACA, $139,200 could easily be a significant burden for a business that size.

    However, it would not be a significant burden for the employees to foot an extra $29 per month, and I am entitled to say so because my cash flow net is less than minimum wage net, and I could handle it easily.

    So why didn't your employer pass the cost on to you and let you keep the old plan?
    Of course it's $29 per employee. It's still a drop in the bucket compared to the whole cost of the insurance policy.

    and, if it is a qualifying plan, why drop it for one that is yet more expensive? That makes no sense at all.
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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Before we go any further let me make clear that I am now a Democrat who has voted for Obama twice, and who wants Obama's programs to succeed, including the ACA. But partisanship is not going to keep me from calling it straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Of course it's $29 per employee. It's still a drop in the bucket compared to the whole cost of the insurance policy.

    and, if it is a qualifying plan, why drop it for one that is yet more expensive? That makes no sense at all.
    It is $29 per employee per MONTH not $29 per year as you have persistently been saying.

    And since you are here, what do you think of the following:

    Goerge Will: The time bomb in Obamacare? (1/18/13)

    (from link, emphasis added):
    The point of the penalty to enforce the mandate was to prevent healthy people — particularly healthy young people — from declining to purchase insurance, or dropping their insurance, which would leave an insured pool of mostly old and infirm people. This would cause the cost of insurance premiums to soar, making it more and more sensible for the healthy to pay the ACA tax, which is much less than the price of insurance.

    ...a person earning $35,000 a year would pay a $60 monthly tax and someone earning $100,000 would pay $200. But the cost of a qualifying insurance policy is projected to be $400 a month. Clearly, it would be sensible to pay $60 or $200 rather than $400, because if one becomes ill, “guaranteed issue” assures coverage and “community rating” means that one’s illness will not result in higher insurance rates...

    Unable to increase penalties substantially, Congress, in the context of “guaranteed issue” and “community rating,” has only one way to induce healthy people to purchase insurance. This is by the hugely expensive process of increasing premium subsidies enough to make negligible the difference between the cost of insurance to purchasers and the penalty for not purchasing.
    IOW someone could game the system by paying the monthly non-compliance "tax", at a savings of probably at least $200 monthly under the premium cost; then after paying a few $100 out of pocket for diagnosis, they buy into an ACA plan before the several $1000 hospitalization and surgery costs are rung up.

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    Re: Will ObamneyCare work?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Before we go any further let me make clear that I am now a Democrat who has voted for Obama twice, and who wants Obama's programs to succeed, including the ACA. But partisanship is not going to keep me from calling it straight.



    It is $29 per employee per MONTH not $29 per year as you have persistently been saying.

    And since you are here, what do you think of the following:

    Goerge Will: The time bomb in Obamacare? (1/18/13)

    (from link, emphasis added):

    IOW someone could game the system by paying the monthly non-compliance "tax", at a savings of probably at least $200 monthly under the premium cost; then after paying a few $100 out of pocket for diagnosis, they buy into an ACA plan before the several $1000 hospitalization and surgery costs are rung up.
    I'm sure that the original post said $29 added to the annual premium, but maybe that was wrong. Even $29 a month is irrelevant if the employer dumped the plan for one even more expensive.

    Now, let's take a look at the premiums noted in your source. The average cost of medical care in the USA is over 8,000 per year per person, which would work out to $670 per month on average. If total premiums are $400 a month, that would be a bargain.

    And yes, the youth who believe that they'll never get sick or be in an accident would rather not pay the cost of insurance. We've been subsidizing the uninsured for years, we being ratepayers and taxpayers, so why not have them pay a small tax to at least partly make up the difference?

    I'm not a Democrat, didn't vote for Obama, thought that Romney was the best choice, but the misinformation about Obamacare is so pervasive and wrong that it's just time someone spoke up and said that it's not the train wreck that the right wing makes it out to be. It's far from perfect, still doesn't adequately address costs, but still helps more people be covered by insurance.
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