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  • California

    23 29.49%
  • Texas

    32 41.03%
  • Vermont

    1 1.28%
  • Hawaii

    5 6.41%
  • Alaska

    5 6.41%
  • Washington

    1 1.28%
  • Florida

    1 1.28%
  • Utah

    1 1.28%
  • Other State

    5 6.41%
  • Other US Territory

    4 5.13%
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Four states have been former republics. Several have sporadic or persistent secession movements.

    Which state, if it left the US, would make the most functional new country?
    Before Modern Liberals, Progressives and other Statists corrupted the public's understanding of their own nation, the States were considered to be effectively countries in their own right. Now, they're effectively provinces of the imperial nation at Washington D.C.
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    The only thing is if Texas did leave the rest of the US would be screwed I would move in a heartbeat.
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The only thing is if Texas did leave the rest of the US would be screwed I would move in a heartbeat.
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Before Modern Liberals, Progressives and other Statists corrupted the public's understanding of their own nation, the States were considered to be effectively countries in their own right. Now, they're effectively provinces of the imperial nation at Washington D.C.
    I think the Civil War had a little something to do with that.
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    Oh cool. I didn't see Utah as a choice. It would probably be self sustaining but there is no way the United States would allow them to be independent. Since they are landlocked on all sides they would be completely vulnerable to the actions/inactions of the United States. I voted for Texas because of geography and history. California is also a great choice due to geography, natural resources and climate. Neither of these two states would be vulnerable to the United State's whims. They both border Mexico which would inspire friendly competition for economic allies with the US or Mexico. California is at a strategic military advantage because the majority of it's border is ocean. Alaska and Hawaii also have a military advantage but they are too low on natural resources and too distant from viable economic allies.

    California and Texas are almost tied for 1st place. If you ignore the history and the culture of Texas, California would be the number one choice. I voted for Texas but Utah is the more exciting possibility to imagine. I love Mormons but they have bad blood with the United States that goes back to their beginnings. I like this question. It's very fun to consider the possibilities.

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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think the Civil War had a little something to do with that.
    Well, we never had a civil war, that was a misnomer, as I've explained elsewhere. In a civil war, two or more factions are trying to seize control of a single nation.

    Second, you are positing that the Constitution has been overruled for a century and a half by the expedient of brute force. (Which may in fact be true, but Leftists usually are averse to admitting the possibility.)
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    You are aware anything west of the "coast range" is the Pacific Ocean.
    and San Francisco, and Santa Barbara, and a whole lot more. It would be a pretty narrow state geographically, but a lot of people would live there.
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    That is a very good point, but in order to maintain the standard of living they'd have to adjust to a strictly agriculture based economy. Perhaps it would work, but there would be a lot of adjusting for the people living in the proposed country of Kansas (for example)
    Unless a third party intruded, things would proceed more or less normally. The only situation where a breadbasket territory is in danger is if they are invaded. Economically, they can just keep pushing costs on everybody else.

    hy would Texas have to shrink it's livestock industry, I'd see that as a great potential export. As far as water though, they have a very long coastline and with the use of distillation they could use ocean water to provide for their drinking needs. Singapore is in the process of doing that now.

    Honestly, I think Texas would be a very viable self sustaining nation.
    Any territory can survive periods of adjustment, but most of what makes them strong derives from the economic and political pact of the Union.

    They have good ranching infrastructure, but their feed doesn't come from Texas, it comes from other states. Similarly, the oil they refine comes from other states and countries. Without the collective economic, political, and military might of the entire Union, Texas has little role to play in international oil diplomacy.

    An independent Texas is an arid climate with low wages and too large of population.

    California is the nations biggest food exporter, and produces more than it's population needs (agriculture, dairy, livestock, fish, etc.). Like Texas it also has abundant resources (oil, minerals, lumber and water). Beyond that it has a long standing reputation as a hub for the entertainment and technology industries, which generate lots of capital for very small input.

    Beyond that California has some of the best deep water harbors in the entire world, excellent for international commerce.

    As far as water regulation, with the Sierra-Neveada Mountains, CA generally has enough water to meet it's needs, but what is lacking could easily be overcome by the installation of distillation facilities on the coast.
    They've always been short on water and have been historically reliant on imports, the process of which consumes a lot of energy. Future technologies might amend the situation, but even if so, losing the collective might of the entire Union makes things harder for them.

    Their climate is well suited to a certain type of farming, but again only commodities. They are still dependent on grain, which is the fundamental building unit of the entire food industry.
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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    I say Puerto Rico would make a fine independent country.

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    Re: Which State Would Make the Best Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I say Puerto Rico would make a fine independent country.
    It's not a state, but is the only entity we've been discussing that could actually vote to become independent.
    Not very likely, but possible.
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