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If you lived in 1938 Germany...[W:104]

How do you believe you would have reacted to Jewish persecution?

  • I would have supported it fully and openly.

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • I would have fallen in line and said nothing.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I would have said nothing openly, but not actively supported it.

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • I would have passively resisted.

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • I would have openly resisted and been outspoken against it.

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • I would have been willing to put myself physically in harms way to protect them.

    Votes: 6 12.8%

  • I like to think I would have done #4 thru #6, but probably would have done #2 or #3.

    Votes: 17 36.2%
  • Total voters
    47
mbig said:
I said Muslims are Inherently/INORDINATELY Violent, Terroristic, and Intolerant.
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Just finish the statement..."and it is because of their religion."
 
Do you have Any Answer to my post?
Again. you aint gettin out of it/pasting over it.
Now you and everyone else will see your Goofy LIES for another page.
Your post was Non-responsive and INSANE.

Gimmesometruth said:
No no.....I asked: if by guilt of association are ALL AMERICANS also terrorists because of one or more American terrorists. You keep avoiding the question.
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And I NEVER Said "All muslims are terrorists"
In fact, I Specifically Warned against that BS Strawman MORE Than once in our exchange.
WTF!
Yet you try it anyway.
From my FIRST Post to you.
Top of Page 6, #51
mbig: "(But please spare us the strawman word 'terrorism', though they are hugely Over-represented/near-sweep in that field too. But no, Not "all muslims are terrorists". Doh)"

I said Muslims are Inherently/INORDINATELY Violent and Intolerant and a "near-sweep" in Terrorist count.
And My Links Back me.
They are Wildly and Disproportionately So.

Gimme said:

I gave you the "why"....because of their Americanism. Again, you seem to be implying but avoiding the direct question, "Are Muslims inherently violent because of their religion?".
Try again, Mr backfire.
Fixed it for you.
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What the hell are you talking about.
NAME The Terror attacks committed because they were "Americanist". How many? There are 200 Muslim terror attacks a MONTH.
I gave you THOUSANDS because Muslims were Islamist. (an Inordinately high amount)
In fact there are more 'American' Muslim Terrorists that any other 'American' Terrorists combined.
I Linked 50 such plots Since 9/11 alone.
AGAIN, How many for other Americans?
Not to mention the Worldwide/Inherent/Thematic Jihad.

Your posts are beneath Incoherent. Really.. Intentionally Impossible/scrambled eggs to debate.
So I just hold them up for the abuse they deserve.

This is Frigging NUTS/Butterfly Nets. You are nonresponsive/Shredded/LOST and you know it, short-quoting my posts.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Just finish the statement..."and it is because of their religion."
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and still not so much as a single word from you on the original question.

Is that because you are the one who is on record as supporting it fully and openly?
 
Moderator's Warning:
If you lived in 1938 Germany, How do you believe you would have reacted to Jewish persecution? That is the topic of this thread. Let's focus on the topic only please.
 
sangha said:
That's how you know them

Because they left
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True, though, I have known individuals that survived Auschwitz and other Lagers.
 
I voted #5 for that is what we did in fact!

Jews ran from Deutchland and came to us here. We protected them and with that much we put ourselves in harms way. Albanians in Deutchland may have done the same.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
oh the german people knew about what was going on. there were death camps set up right next to cities and people saw the jews being marched to the camps after they arrived on the trains.
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Most Germans had no clue about the Holocaust. Sure they knew about the persecution and the concentration camps but they had no idea that mass exterminations were going on. To be frank, such concentration camps and persecution were the norm during that time. The public response to the Kristallnacht convinced the German leadership that they wouldn't tolerate such violence openly.
 
radcen said:
If you lived in 1938 Germany... How do you believe you would have reacted to Jewish persecution?

1) I would have supported it fully and openly.
2) I would have fallen in line and said nothing.
3) I would have said nothing openly, but not actively supported it.
4) I would have passively resisted.
5) I would have openly resisted and been outspoken against it.
6) I would have been willing to put myself physically in harms way to protect them.
7) I like to think I would have done #4 thru #6, but probably would have done #2 or #3.

I purposely did not include "Other" as an option this time, as that is a cop-out for this question. If you cannot answer given the range of options above, you're participation is not really necessary.

ETA: Please note that the question is intended to be from a non-Jewish perspective.
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I do not think anyone today can accurately predict how they would have behaved in 1938 Germany. We didn't have their upbringing, lifestyle and societal and cultural influences,
 
Proud South Korean said:
Most Germans had no clue about the Holocaust. Sure they knew about the persecution and the concentration camps but they had no idea that mass exterminations were going on. To be frank, such concentration camps and persecution were the norm during that time. The public response to the Kristallnacht convinced the German leadership that they wouldn't tolerate such violence openly.
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A little-known fact.


jamesrage said:
I do not think anyone today can accurately predict how they would have behaved in 1938 Germany. We didn't have their upbringing, lifestyle and societal and cultural influences,
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This is true, but it is also the easy answer. This also sidesteps the fact that many people today place blame on those who did nothing to stop it.
 
radcen said:
This is true, but it is also the easy answer. This also sidesteps the fact that many people today place blame on those who did nothing to stop it.
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As to blame, when a failure is systematic, then the entire system needs to be addressed. At the heart of any such atrocity are many socializing influences, not the least of which being the basic need to conform to the society at large. It's hardwired into us to one degree or another.

When we look back upon the Nazification of Germany, we do so in hindsight, and we condense time in such a way that we perceive change as sudden rather than gradual. I see it a bit like boiling lobsters in that society adjusted to incremental changes in such a way that the new normal became hotter and hotter and this was a process more gradual than people realize. The need for order runs strong in people, and if the changes are gradual enough, they will cling to this order even when the overall changes are dramatic. In the case of he Nazis, what began as a fringe movement in the 20s gained steam over two decades, the underlying themes feeding and magnifying many preexisting prejudices and finally came into full flower many years later.
 
radcen said:
This is true, but it is also the easy answer.
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While it is a easy answer no one in 1938 Germany grew up the same way any of us did or had our experiences.And no one in the US today grew up in German around 1938.As far as we know if anyone who picked options 2-6, you or I and grew up around in 1938 Germany and knew what Hitler was doing we might have fully supported what he was doing.

This also sidesteps the fact that many people today place blame on those who did nothing to stop it.
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Its easy to place blame because we know the results. We know Hitler and his fellow nazis were monsters. We know for a fact those monsters killed millions of people.And we care about what happened back then. Also if we speak out no one is going to arrest or kill us. So yes it is easy for us to blame those who did nothing.
 
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I'm not a hero; I would have passively resisted. Unless I was forced to choose between risking my safety or trying to protect people that I knew from imminent death, knowing that I had the means to effectively hide them.
 
radcen said:
If you lived in 1938 Germany... How do you believe you would have reacted to Jewish persecution?

1) I would have supported it fully and openly.
2) I would have fallen in line and said nothing.
3) I would have said nothing openly, but not actively supported it.
4) I would have passively resisted.
5) I would have openly resisted and been outspoken against it.
6) I would have been willing to put myself physically in harms way to protect them.
7) I like to think I would have done #4 thru #6, but probably would have done #2 or #3.

I purposely did not include "Other" as an option this time, as that is a cop-out for this question. If you cannot answer given the range of options above, you're participation is not really necessary.

ETA: Please note that the question is intended to be from a non-Jewish perspective.
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No option for joining an actual resistance movement?

Other than that, I admit I wouldn't have done ****. I'm not getting my kneecaps drilled by the SS in some ****ing damp basement, just for the sake of 'making a point' that wouldn't have changed a single thing. Especially not if I'd had a family to worry about, also.
 
NoC_T said:
No option for joining an actual resistance movement?

Other than that, I admit I wouldn't have done ****. I'm not getting my kneecaps drilled by the SS in some ****ing damp basement, just for the sake of 'making a point' that wouldn't have changed a single thing. Especially not if I'd had a family to worry about, also.
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No. 6
 
Threads like this are honestly silly. No one has any idea what they would have done in some alternate life.


It's like asking

"What if electricity was never invented?"
"What if my parents never met?"
"What if Hitler got into art school?"

You'll never know.
 
radcen said:
If you lived in 1938 Germany... How do you believe you would have reacted to Jewish persecution?

1) I would have supported it fully and openly.
2) I would have fallen in line and said nothing.
3) I would have said nothing openly, but not actively supported it.
4) I would have passively resisted.
5) I would have openly resisted and been outspoken against it.
6) I would have been willing to put myself physically in harms way to protect them.
7) I like to think I would have done #4 thru #6, but probably would have done #2 or #3.

I purposely did not include "Other" as an option this time, as that is a cop-out for this question. If you cannot answer given the range of options above, you're participation is not really necessary.

ETA: Please note that the question is intended to be from a non-Jewish perspective.
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One can never really know. But assuming I was fully aware, I hope I would do four through six. But none of us can really be sure.
 
Luckily for me, I don't think the most effective thing for saving Jewish people would have been being outspoken against it. This would have saved me from confronting any cowardice I harbor.

I would have actively sought to find quiet ways to help Jewish people, and I believe I would have been successful finding those ways. But I would have been frightened out of my wits doing so. I think that quietly helping Jewish people avoid arrest and/or helping them escape would have been the most effective means of helping them. I think it is the duty of a citizen to oppose their own government when it is like this, in at least this way, despite the personal risk. When you just "go along to get along" in this kind of situation, you are a party to the horror. In order not to be, in order to "be neutral", you must not contribute anything in any way to the functioning of the corrupt society, including work at a career or job. I think we all need to understand this. I think it is the true essence of the saying "Evil happens when 'good' people stand by and do nothing." In such a situation, you must find the smartest, most effective way, to thwart evil, and you must scrounge up the courage to oppose it in whatever way that is.

In such a situation, it would have been difficult to know when the moment had arrived to join an insurrection, which is the only way things would have changed. In the case of Germany, I don't think they were ever anywhere close to such a moment. Open defiance would have simply been suicidal, and accomplished nothing.

Of course, we can all talk big here on the Internet, and of course that is what I am doing. However, we must establish in our minds what is required, and do it during the easy times in order to have any hope of any kind of clarity should this type of evil arise. Hopefully we will live up to it when called upon to do so.
 
NoC_T said:
lulz

Yeah. For the split second it took the Kraut to aim at you and pull the trigger.
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Lack of back bone by Europe is why we had to step in and save their asses to begin with, they had the people.
 
Rocketman said:
Lack of back bone by Europe is why we had to step in and save their asses to begin with, they had the people.
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As bait goes, I have seen weaker.
 
NoC_T said:
lulz

Yeah. For the split second it took the Kraut to aim at you and pull the trigger.
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There were many ways to protect Jews in Germany. Standing in front of them or making it well known was only one... and a fairly unsuccessful one at that. He could have meant that he would have hidden me, or helped me escape.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
There were many ways to protect Jews in Germany. Standing in front of them or making it well known was only one... and a fairly unsuccessful one at that. He could have meant that he would have hidden me, or helped me escape.
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Of course, those are viable options.
 
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