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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The economic effect is the immediate concern whereas knowing which party wants to use American citizens as pawns in their power play is a long term concern. It is obvious which party that is too. Reps have tried to reopen national parks etc but Dems won't let them. Where is the dishonesty in that?
    It is said politics is the art of the possible. Both parties have been trudging their way to this situation ever since the election of 2010. Neither wants to cooperate with the other and both parties have a mindset of “MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.” I know this mentality plays great for those die hard Democrats and Republicans. But to govern, politics is a game of compromise, negotiations, give and take between the parties especially with divided government. Each side needs to give a little in order to get a little. This game continues until agreement is reached.

    What we have had since 2010 is a House which continues to pass legislation and attach riders, amendments that it knows the Senate won’t pass. So in retaliation Senator Reid tables this legislation or bills without debate or a vote. So the House is peeved that no votes or debates are happening in the Senate and the Senate is peeved at being sent a bunch of bills in which they consider way out of line. The longer this continues, the more peeved each chamber gets at the other. One might even say each now hates the other. Both chambers feel the other is not interested in governing that they are only interested in advancing a political agenda. This sentiment is probably true, but it applies to both chambers.

    As to the blame game, any honest person who follows politics knows Republicans will blame Democrats and Democrats will blame Republicans. But where does the independent, that person who does not affiliate or identify with either party fall or blame. Only CNN polled independents and independents only. After all they do at the moment make up 45% of the electorate. On the evening of the 8th of October here is their results. Independents and Independents only.

    60% of Indies blamed the Republican Congressional Delegation
    59% blamed the Democratic Congressional Delegation
    58% blamed President Obama

    Can one say a pox on both parties. Just as a reference point, back in 1996 the blame was fixed at 51% on the Republicans and 28% on the Democrats and President Clinton at the time. This time you do not have that huge gap. I think the reason why, especially among independents is they have seen the lack of cooperation between the major parties in an attempt to govern. Each party wants their own way, all of it. If they do not get their way, all 100%, they settle for zero, nothing and block the other party from getting anything they want or deem important.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Reps new they would get the blame for a gov shutdown and after last time that was the very last thing they wanted. Dems on the other hand were drooling over the prospect and it is Dems that are trying to make the shut down hurt as much as possible so it is obvious who is using us as pawns.
    If it was the last thing they wanted, they should have done ANYTHING to not allow it to occur. But they didn't. That's why what you said is absurd.

    Both sides used their political agenda to allow this to happen. Both sides are to blame. Both sides are using us as pawns. This is obvious. Not seeing this is looking at it with blinders on.
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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is said politics is the art of the possible. Both parties have been trudging their way to this situation ever since the election of 2010. Neither wants to cooperate with the other and both parties have a mindset of “MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.” I know this mentality plays great for those die hard Democrats and Republicans. But to govern, politics is a game of compromise, negotiations, give and take between the parties especially with divided government. Each side needs to give a little in order to get a little. This game continues until agreement is reached.

    What we have had since 2010 is a House which continues to pass legislation and attach riders, amendments that it knows the Senate won’t pass. So in retaliation Senator Reid tables this legislation or bills without debate or a vote. So the House is peeved that no votes or debates are happening in the Senate and the Senate is peeved at being sent a bunch of bills in which they consider way out of line. The longer this continues, the more peeved each chamber gets at the other. One might even say each now hates the other. Both chambers feel the other is not interested in governing that they are only interested in advancing a political agenda. This sentiment is probably true, but it applies to both chambers.

    As to the blame game, any honest person who follows politics knows Republicans will blame Democrats and Democrats will blame Republicans. But where does the independent, that person who does not affiliate or identify with either party fall or blame. Only CNN polled independents and independents only. After all they do at the moment make up 45% of the electorate. On the evening of the 8th of October here is their results. Independents and Independents only.

    60% of Indies blamed the Republican Congressional Delegation
    59% blamed the Democratic Congressional Delegation
    58% blamed President Obama

    Can one say a pox on both parties. Just as a reference point, back in 1996 the blame was fixed at 51% on the Republicans and 28% on the Democrats and President Clinton at the time. This time you do not have that huge gap. I think the reason why, especially among independents is they have seen the lack of cooperation between the major parties in an attempt to govern. Each party wants their own way, all of it. If they do not get their way, all 100%, they settle for zero, nothing and block the other party from getting anything they want or deem important.
    The difference is Reps made an opening offer and asked for negotiations to begin, Dems are the ones that said my way or the highway and refused to talk.

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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If it was the last thing they wanted, they should have done ANYTHING to not allow it to occur. But they didn't. That's why what you said is absurd.

    Both sides used their political agenda to allow this to happen. Both sides are to blame. Both sides are using us as pawns. This is obvious. Not seeing this is looking at it with blinders on.
    By "ANYTHING" you mean give Dems whatever they want. I'm sure you would love that but Reps had to stand firm. We all hate war but sometimes you are forced into it, you can't give an opposing power ANYTHING they want to avoid war. Then again maybe you feel different about that.

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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The difference is Reps made an opening offer and asked for negotiations to begin, Dems are the ones that said my way or the highway and refused to talk.
    The Reps offer was absurd because it was akin to trying to negotiate with a car they didn't own. We are pawns to their political agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    By "ANYTHING" you mean give Dems whatever they want. I'm sure you would love that but Reps had to stand firm. We all hate war but sometimes you are forced into it, you can't give an opposing power ANYTHING they want to avoid war. Then again maybe you feel different about that.
    There was nothing to "give" the Dems. The bottom line is this. Obamacare is LAW. The Reps don't like that so they are holding the US hostage because of their political agenda. The Dems, for their part, have decided to hold their breath and not discuss any financing issues around Obamacare. Both sides are idiots. It's a shame you can't see it, but it is also expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    There was nothing to "give" the Dems. The bottom line is this. Obamacare is LAW. The Reps don't like that so they are holding the US hostage because of their political agenda. The Dems, for their part, have decided to hold their breath and not discuss any financing issues around Obamacare. Both sides are idiots. It's a shame you can't see it, but it is also expected.
    "Nothing to give" that says it all. Obama gave unions exemptions and big business an extra year. Dems could have offered us peons a years grace before the law became mandatory too but apparently they would rather use us as pawns. They also could have made their staff go on obamacare and even gone on it themselves, there was lots to give and the fact that you can't see that shows who has the partisan blinders on.

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    Re: What's more important?

    If somebody gets shot, my first concern is their safety and health. IE, the results. Afterwords, though, your damn right I'm gonna want to know the identity of the shooter.
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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    By "ANYTHING" you mean give Dems whatever they want. I'm sure you would love that but Reps had to stand firm. We all hate war but sometimes you are forced into it, you can't give an opposing power ANYTHING they want to avoid war. Then again maybe you feel different about that.
    Dems had no conditions but the status quo. No demands for tax hikes, cap and trade, or gun control. Repubs, on the other hand, have comically attached defunding, delaying, and de-taxing Obamacare, attached contraceptive restrictions, Keystone XL pipeline, drilling permits, and a litany of absurd right-wing demands to their "negotiations" on the CR and debt limit.

    Take the country hostage if you want, but they look weak and panicky when they do it but claim the other side is taking us hostage.
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    Re: What's more important?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Nothing to give" that says it all. Obama gave unions exemptions and big business an extra year. Dems could have offered us peons a years grace before the law became mandatory too but apparently they would rather use us as pawns. They also could have made their staff go on obamacare and even gone on it themselves, there was lots to give and the fact that you can't see that shows who has the partisan blinders on.
    No, as usual, your partisan blinders are glued to your face. You didn't read what I wrote and what I said about the financing issues of Obamacare and how the Dems won't even discuss it. This is, as I said, a dual issue. It's always nice to see how consistent you are, sawyer. I present both sides of the issue, and you only read ONE side of what I write and are incapable of seeing the entirety of the situation. This is defines your partisan blindness. I appreciate you exposing it for everyone so clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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