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  • Democrats still lose if they pass a clean C.R.

    0 0%
  • Democrats willl lose if they don't pass a clean C.R.

    3 17.65%
  • Democrats win if they pass a clean C.R.

    6 35.29%
  • Democrats will still win if they don't pass a clean C.R.

    2 11.76%
  • Republicans will lose if they pass a clean C.R.

    7 41.18%
  • Republicans still lose if they don't pass a clean C.R.

    7 41.18%
  • Republicans will still win if they pass a clean C.R.

    2 11.76%
  • Republicans will win if they don't pass a clean C.R.

    2 11.76%
  • Other

    3 17.65%
  • I do not know

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I don't think you give us half-Americans enough credit for having a sharp attention span.
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Americans are notorious for their short attention span. Two months after this is over it will be long forgotten by most of the voters. The last shut down was for 21 days, Dec 5, 1995 to Jan 6, 1996 and by election time it was a non-factor. This one will be the same.
    You might be right.Although we got some 2014 elections coming up.That might not be enough time for the American people to forget or to stop caring.
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    I think that the republicans will lose more than the democrats on the government shutdown. Part of the party supports their hardline stance, but the more moderate republicans disagree with it, and it seems like independents are blaming the republicans more than the democrats. Republican supporters have more to lose to stock market losses caused by the shutdown too.

    I think that if they don't pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling before the 17th, we'll see a massive backlash against both parties. Should that happen, incumbents in both parties are going to lose badly in the midterm elections.
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You might be right.Although we got some 2014 elections coming up.That might not be enough time for the American people to forget or to stop caring.
    I would love to see an election where the American people actually throw the bums out instead of just talking about it and then voting the bums back in. In 96 there was only 11 months between the shutdown and the election, We're looking at 13 today.

    I just checked out Gallup on Party Affiliation, they just released it and it takes the shutdown into consideration. The numbers are

    OCT 3-6 Republicans 20% Democrats 30% Independents 47% Compare those numbers to before the shutdown.
    SEP 5-8 Republicans 22% Democrats 31% Independents 45%
    So far the GOP lost 2 points and the Democrats 1 point while Indies rose 2 points.

    The break down the 47% who call themselves independents are now,
    Lean Republican 18% Lean Democratic 18% True independents 11% the break down of the 45% prior to the shut down Sep 5-8 of independents was 19% lean Republican 16% lean Democrat and 10% true independents

    Just incase you are interested.
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    Elections have morphed from "win the independent vote" to "get your base to the polls." And the shutdown and default threat are sure to help motivate the Democratic base to get to the polls. Cause they are one pissed off bunch right now.

    The Dems in Congress win this standoff if they get a clean funding bill passed. The Republicans lose either way.
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Elections have morphed from "win the independent vote" to "get your base to the polls." And the shutdown and default threat are sure to help motivate the Democratic base to get to the polls. Cause they are one pissed off bunch right now.

    The Dems in Congress win this standoff if they get a clean funding bill passed. The Republicans lose either way.
    I think it would be unwise to ignore the independents. Here are the latest states from Gallup on Party Identification. If you look at them, the Republicans have been losing ground big time since last years election. But the Democrats has lost ground too. Maybe the question is, how low can the Republicans go?

    With the shutdown in progress and new stats from Gallup on Party Affiliation, it is time to compare the in shutdown stats to those of last month, pre shutdown and to those of last November of 2012.
    Party Affiliation
    Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
    Sep 2013 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent
    Today 20% Republican 30% Democratic 47% Independent
    Note the Republican 10 point drop from 2012 and 2 point drop from pre shutdown. The Democrats has dropped 5 point from 2012 and 1 point from pre shutdown.Then there is the 11 point rise in the independent column from last year and a 2 point rise from last month.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    At this point I don't think either side is going to feasibly come out of this "winning".

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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    Anytime conservative posters say both both sides are not winning, their partisan-type language ......
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    In terms of public opinion, the Republicans will likely lose in either scenario. While the Healthcare law is unpopular at this stage, the tactics being used in an attempt to upend it are simply unacceptable in the view of most.
    That's because the MSM makeup their own surveys and then report them. They likely ask around the office, and threaten to fire people if they don't suck Obama's nuts.
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    Re: Who loses and who wins votes if one side does or doesn't cave on passing a clean

    We have all already lost. Band aids are not effective leadership and band aid government is all we have had for years now

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