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  • The Consequences of Gay Marriage

    15 20.27%
  • Trickle-Down Economics

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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    Gay marriage. If we're going to have something protected under the law, it has to be done equally for all. A better thing to talk about would to be whether marriage should have interrelations with government at all.
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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1
    Horrible misunderstanding of conservatives.
    Perhaps so...but let's see.

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1
    Conservatives believe in cooperation. We believe in voluntary cooperation and not coerced cooperation.
    However government is constituted, it's going to be coercive in some way. It has to be, and I think I can guarantee that no one with very much intelligence thinks it should or could be otherwise. So the question is how to constitute government. The laws we have tend to force people into a competetive model of economic interaction.

    Of course, I did not mean my remarks to extend to every area of life. I don't think conservatives see themselves as necessarily in competition with their families, for instance. But ceteris paribus, conservatives will opt for models of government which enforce competition instead of cooperation.

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1
    The effect of coercion is usually destructive, creating division.
    I'm not sure what you mean, here. If you mean that the effect of coercion is to create resentment among those coerced, you may be right. However, I'm not sure this matters. I'm sure that time I got on to my daughter and coerced her to not stick a wire in the electrical socket left her with some resentment for a while. I'm sure there are some convicted murderers who were caught red-handed, but who nevertheless resent the police and the prosecutors who put them where they need to be.

    The only relevant question is what people ought to do. The argument that government ought not to coerce cooperation because it will make some people upset is pretty weak. If people should cooperate in some manner, they should do so or be made to do so.

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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    1. The thinking that getting the people who were going to vote for them anyway as worked up as possible wins elections. If my opposition to the democrats in off the charts in terms of passion and possibly hatred, I still just get one vote. Meanwhile, the emotional buttons the GOP official and unofficial leadership pushes often rooted in half-truths, propaganda and condescension that triggers these emotions drives away almost everybody except the people who were going to vote republican anyway. You win elections by getting more votes than the other side, not by getting your fewer voters outraged with the opposition and mentally manipulating them into thinking the same things we did first are destroying America when they do them.

    2. Sticking our heads in the sand with respect to scientific polling data. Writing polls off as inaccurate because we didn't like the results and convincing ourselves the data is wrong then replacing them with polls we commission by pollsters who know who is signing their check and are expected produced the results they've been paid to deliver. The only thing funnier than seeing the GOP honestly think we were going to actually win the Whitehouse in 2012 was Anthony Weinner thinking he was going to be the Mayor of New York "because the polls are a bunch of lies trumped up by the media."
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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    Q. Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    A. In their conviction that the "socially conservative", anti-immigrant, statist minority in the party is somehow vital for their political survival.

    Democrats (now apparently entirely dominated by the Unthinking Left) have nothing to offer to the American independents (who actually decide the outcome of most important elections, and who are overwhelmingly "socially liberal and fiscally conservative"). The only thing that separates the GOP from a long, long stretch in power is this fear of ditching the collectivist "ally", the twisted baggage of the Nixonian "Southern Strategy".

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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    When did the dems stop beating their wives?

    Idiot poll.

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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    My vote went for trickle down economics since the effects are so devestating to the entire nation and its people far more than many of the other things on the list. The idea that you can craft policies and programs to benefit the rich and piss on everybody else and call it rain is the cause of so much of our problems going back several decades. And unlike some issues like global warming where there actually are sensible republicans, they almost all seem to subscribe to taking care of the rich before everybody else.
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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My vote went for trickle down economics since the effects are so devestating to the entire nation and its people far more than many of the other things on the list. The idea that you can craft policies and programs to benefit the rich and piss on everybody else and call it rain is the cause of so much of our problems going back several decades. And unlike some issues like global warming where there actually are sensible republicans, they almost all seem to subscribe to taking care of the rich before everybody else.
    I've never heard of a single person who supports 'trickle down economics'.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    Were you around in the 1980's, since you have never heard of a single person who supports 'trickle down economics'.
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    I've never heard of a single person who supports 'trickle down economics'.
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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    All of the above--nice list.
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    Re: Where does the GOP have the least grasp on reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Were you around in the 1980's, since you have never heard of a single person who supports 'trickle down economics'.
    Yes, I was in my 20s and very interested in politics. I've heard many people express opposition to 'trickle down economics' but I've never heard a single person support it.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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