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Thread: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Apparently you have missed the real news.

    Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare
    By Michael Isikoff, NBC News

    In a move that highlights a growing rift in conservative ranks, Koch Industries -- the privately held energy conglomerate owned by billionaires Charles and David Koch -- today distanced the firm from allied political groups lobbying to keep the government shut down unless Obamacare is defunded.

    A letter, signed by the company's chief lobbyist and sent to members of Congress, says that Koch Industries has taken no position on the shutdown dispute in Congress "nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defending Obamacare."

    Instead, Koch Industries wants Congress to focus on "balancing the budget" and "cutting government spending," among other goals, said Philip Ellender, Koch Industries president for government and public affairs.

    The letter comes in the wake of media reports documenting how Freedom Partners -- a newly formed conservative trade association closely associated with the Koch brothers -- has helped finance many of the conservative and Tea Party groups that have been pressuring Republicans to link defunding Obamacare to the passage of a continuing resolution to fund the government and extend the debt ceiling.
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    Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics
    Parts of me want to be proud of the Tea party politicians. I honestly believe the Koch brothers don't want the government to default. Which means they basically bankrolled all these politicians, and the politicians are going in a direction that those who paid their way don't want. The Tea Party politicians showing that they can't be manipulated? Of course, what the Tea Party politicians want to do is still crazy.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We elect our leaders, they are not hired by individuals.
    Like appointments?

    If you can't see the danger there it is because you are blinded by the cause.
    I see the danger in it, just as I see the danger in democracy. There is an inherent risk to everything.

    I know if Soros was involved in this way you would be upset.
    Who?

    Oh and that poll is poppycock.
    I know. That's why I responded the way I did.

    Conservatism is toast.
    That would be surprising.

    All this is nothing but a dead cat bounce. Like Jobs said "Death is natures best invention".
    I don't think that quote means things dying is good. For example, Jobs wasn't much of a warmonger.
    One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    As the saying goes, "Put your money where your mouth is." The Kochs have put over $200 million into the groups behind the shutdown.. Money talks and bullcrap walks. Quoth the forked tongue, eh?
    Even if that were true, so what?
    They are allowed to do that.
    Nor does it make them behind the shutdown. So stop with your nonsense.
    You have seen their stated position.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’ | Consortiumnews

    "Of course, many pragmatic rich folk understand how the extraordinary U.S. system – built by the sweat and ingenuity of countless “average Americans” and protected by the blood of heroic common citizens – has made their fortunes possible. These patriotic multi-millionaires cringe at the spectacle of a U.S. government shutdown and panic at the thought of defaulting on U.S. debt.
    But the right-wing billionaires and their political front groups welcome the current chaos. Indeed, they began planning today’s fiscal crisis as soon as their stunning defeat of last November sank in. Rather than behave as a loyal opposition, the Right started plotting soon after Obama took the oath of office a second time, as the New York Times reported:
    “Shortly after President Obama started his second term, a loose-knit coalition of conservative activists led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III gathered in the capital to plot strategy. Their push to repeal Mr. Obama’s health care law was going nowhere, and they desperately needed a new plan.
    “Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed ‘blueprint to defunding Obamacare,’ signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups. It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government. "

    OK, is the 1/10th of 1% the originator of this plan?

    Why do the wealthy want to sink Obamacare: because it will give something to the 99% and cost the 1%?

    Who do you trust?

    The 1% is about helping everybody? When pigs fly!

    Read the whole story, the truth will set you to fury.

    OMG! OMG! Capitalists are CONSPIRING to oppose socialism!

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Even if that were true, so what?
    They are allowed to do that.
    Nor does it make them behind the shutdown. So stop with your nonsense.
    You have seen their stated position.
    If I were in a position where I could profit handsomely with advance knowledge, I would be creating a case for plausible deniability in the event of SEC blowback. But, what the hell do I know. I mean John Paulson made a billion on the last crash, but not because his brother was making the significant economic decisions behind the screen. Luck! Bon Chance! Fate!

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    OMG! OMG! Capitalists are CONSPIRING to oppose socialism!
    Corporatists. Corporatists are conspiring to oppose socialism. Ya' know. Plutocrats, oligarchy, Mil/Ind/Corporate, "too big to fail" banksters, INC. All are INC. Corp. etc.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If I were in a position where I could profit handsomely with advance knowledge, I would be creating a case for plausible deniability in the event of SEC blowback. But, what the hell do I know. I mean John Paulson made a billion on the last crash, but not because his brother was making the significant economic decisions behind the screen. Luck! Bon Chance! Fate!
    All it sounds like is have baseless conspiratorial thoughts, and are crying.
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