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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Just what every conspiracy theory says. Maybe they're being controlled by the Trilateral Commission.
    I have made the observation that if you have a billion dollars and you are certain that a gov't is going to default, then you are going to make huge profit from that advance knowledge. That is simply conspiring to make a profit in the standard corporatist/capitalist fashion. If you do not believe that, then you do not believe in Corporatism/Capitalism. Which is it? Sometimes, making information available in the Commons can alter events.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Just what every conspiracy theory says. Maybe they're being controlled by the Trilateral Commission.
    There's no denying where the financing of this stunt is coming from, $200 million mostly from the Koch Bros.
    You might at least think about what the T's are doing and how it might effect you before poo pooing it.
    This is from the OP's link.
    Now, in 2013, the Republican Right has doubled down on that strategy, merging a government shutdown with an impending credit default in an effort to extort more concessions from Obama and the Democrats. But the larger goal is to create a new constitutional structure in which the Right, regardless of its minority status, gets to dictate what the federal government can and cannot do.
    To make this strategy work, however, requires a readiness to play Samson and to pull down the temple on your enemies as well as yourself. That appears to be the extreme option that the Koch Brothers and their fellow right-wing billionaires have chosen. If they can’t rule America, they will reduce the country to economic rubble through a fiscal crisis and a premeditated financial collapse.

    Then, perhaps out of the rubble, a chastened American people will emerge to accept their subordinate position in this new plutocratic structure. In the future, they will know better than to do something that the Koch Brothers and their right-wing friends don’t like.

    All that stuff about a government of the people, by the people and for the people will finally have perished from the earth. [For more on this topic, see Consortiumnews.com's "America's Government by Extortion."]

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’ | Consortiumnews

    "Of course, many pragmatic rich folk understand how the extraordinary U.S. system – built by the sweat and ingenuity of countless “average Americans” and protected by the blood of heroic common citizens – has made their fortunes possible. These patriotic multi-millionaires cringe at the spectacle of a U.S. government shutdown and panic at the thought of defaulting on U.S. debt.
    But the right-wing billionaires and their political front groups welcome the current chaos. Indeed, they began planning today’s fiscal crisis as soon as their stunning defeat of last November sank in. Rather than behave as a loyal opposition, the Right started plotting soon after Obama took the oath of office a second time, as the New York Times reported:
    “Shortly after President Obama started his second term, a loose-knit coalition of conservative activists led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III gathered in the capital to plot strategy. Their push to repeal Mr. Obama’s health care law was going nowhere, and they desperately needed a new plan.
    “Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed ‘blueprint to defunding Obamacare,’ signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups. It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government. "

    OK, is the 1/10th of 1% the originator of this plan?

    Why do the wealthy want to sink Obamacare: because it will give something to the 99% and cost the 1%?

    Who do you trust?

    The 1% is about helping everybody? When pigs fly!

    Read the whole story, the truth will set you to fury.
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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude how come you still self-identify as a conservative? You should come join us, the water's just fine!
    I'm a very conservative individual, and I don't see anything conservative about right wing radical ideology and feel they co-opted the name to hide behind. I don't hide. I am a
    Green and serious environmentalist and conservative. I'm not an Obamabot and was deeply offended by the invasion of Libya and the high handed shenanigans financing Al Queda types in Syria. I do, however, support Obamacare and feel it is as significant as Social Security. It is the Nation taking care of its' citizens instead of its' Corporations. I've seen more Corporate Welfare than I can stand. This is a percentage shift of monies to people. A potentially good program. Of course, long term, it will be screwed up by politics and vested interests.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    It was obviously the Rich.

    The Rich do all bad things. Death exists only because it makes the Rich money. Every painful thing in our life's increases the Rich's immense income. That's all the Rich care about. The Rich would kill us all right now if the Rich didn't enjoy so much our suffering.

    Is that the answer you're looking for?
    One who makes himself a worm cannot complain when tread upon.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The reporting is factual. Apparently you did not read the linked document.
    That is what birthers and truthers always say...
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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There's no denying where the financing of this stunt is coming from, $200 million mostly from the Koch Bros.
    You might at least think about what the T's are doing and how it might effect you before poo pooing it.
    This is from the OP's link.
    Once again, as the left keeps harping, there are only 18 Tea Party reps in the House. It takes a couple hundred more than that to pass a bill. I thought libs were the smarter ones, one would think you all would be better at math.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    It was obviously the Rich.

    The Rich do all bad things. Death exists only because it makes the Rich money. Every painful thing in our life's increases the Rich's immense income. That's all the Rich care about. The Rich would kill us all right now if the Rich didn't enjoy so much our suffering.

    Is that the answer you're looking for?
    Hardly. I've been fortunate to have rich friends who are real proud to be making jobs and a few times sacrificed some of their own monies to keep those jobs when the economy turned. The economy came back, profits flowed again, but their real happiness is that they kept "feeding the babies, theirs and others" when times were a little tough. That doesn't usually fit the Corporate mantra, as evidenced by the wealth accumulation by Big Money during the 2008 crisis.

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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Hardly. I've been fortunate to have rich friends who are real proud to be making jobs and a few times sacrificed some of their own monies to keep those jobs when the economy turned. The economy came back, profits flowed again, but their real happiness is that they kept "feeding the babies, theirs and others" when times were a little tough. That doesn't usually fit the Corporate mantra, as evidenced by the wealth accumulation by Big Money during the 2008 crisis.
    Obviously they weren't rich enough to be part of the Rich.
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    Re: "The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    It was obviously the Rich.

    The Rich do all bad things. Death exists only because it makes the Rich money. Every painful thing in our life's increases the Rich's immense income. That's all the Rich care about. The Rich would kill us all right now if the Rich didn't enjoy so much our suffering.

    Is that the answer you're looking for?
    Hardly. I've been fortunate to have rich friends who are real proud to be making jobs and a few times sacrificed some of their own monies to keep those jobs when the economy turned. The economy came back, profits flowed again, but their real happiness is that they kept "feeding the babies, theirs and others" when times were a little tough. That doesn't usually fit the Corporate mantra, as evidenced by the wealth accumulation by Big Money during the 2008 crisis.

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