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    Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the government?

    Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.

    The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.

    Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    The Dems have already compromised on the budget, with spending down to near Ryan budget levels, it's the republicans idiocy and unwillingness to compromise that caused this shutdown.
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    Ya know what never mind.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The Dems have already compromised on the budget, with spending down to near Ryan budget levels, it's the republicans idiocy and unwillingness to compromise that caused this shutdown.
    Sorry, but that is not true. Senate Democrats only voted to pass a CR that set annual spending at $986 billion, but only through November 15, 2013. That's not giving in to anything other than spin to create more talking points.

    On a party-line 54-46 roll call, the Senate rejected language passed over the weekend to repeal a 2.3 percent tax on medical devices and delay Obamacare by a year, leaving the House with the same Senate language it received on Friday: A bill that keeps the government funded at a $986 billion annual level through Nov. 15.

    Read more: Government shutdown: Mitch McConnell weighs one-week CR - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.

    The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.

    Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
    Of course not, we should give into a small number of back bench Representatives and shut down the government unless they get what they want.


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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    I'm not even sure what Democrats are even arguing for at this point. It looks like they just recognize that they have a very complicit media and have decided to shut down the government because that complicit media will just blame Republicans.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
    The CONGRESS couldn't pass a budget, as is their responsibility per the constitution, prior to the end of the year and then couldn't garner the support to pass legislation that traditionally is used as a temporary, emergency, continuation of funding but has recently became the defacto means of funding the government. As such, it constitutes CONGRESS as shutting down government entirely.

    Obama has no DIRECT responsibility, as a bill never reached his desk to either sign or veto. He has indirect responsibility in terms of his impact in getting a budget passed and then later getting a CR passed, but he's not DIRECTLY responsible for the shut down. That responsibility falls on the CONGRESS, both the Senate and the House.

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    I mean considering this is Congress itself not being able to pass anything, then the fault lies with the House and Senate. It is okay. Eventually they will grow up.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.

    The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.

    Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
    And so the blame game continues. The longer it continues, the worse things get for every one else. All this post is trying to do is assign blame to win a few political points. It has no bearing on reality and is another Joko poll based on flat out lies and distortions.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    The majority of the "majority caucus" is not a majority of the House.
    Appears to be at odds with the idea of a people's House.
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