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Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the government?

Does not giving the president everything he wants constitute government closure?


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Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

Every representative and senator should vote their beliefs. If that means government shuts down, so be it. If there is something that there is enough agreement to fund, then it gets funded. The more granular these spending bills can get, the better, in my opinion.

Bundling of budgets even into the dozen or so spending bills forces all or nothing choices, this way all you need to do is get your pet project into the bill and it has a good chance of passing. If each bill were a couple pages long, it would be quicker to debate each one and then pass or reject it. If the President has to sign a couple hundred funding bills to keep the government going, then he would have a real excuse to not go to the Asia Pacific meeting.
 
Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

sawyerloggingon said:
There is only one side refusing to negotiate and that side is the one who shut down government.

If I come onto your porch and demand that you give me half of your house, would you agree to do so? Suppose the situation were such that others were watching, and I declared you were the one responsible for the impasse for being unwilling to negotiate.

The point is that the ACA is a law. Congress passed it. The Supreme Court upheld it (by virtue of the vote of a conservative justice, I might add). Attempts to repeal it have failed. It's a house bought; there's no reason anyone should, or should have to, negotiate about defunding, delaying, or partially dismantling it.
 
Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

I have heard talk of the Federal Government defaulting on it's debts.
Lets explore that some.
Alexander Hamilton Set up the Treasury to pay the bonds with incoming receipts.
So how much is coming in vs the value of bonds that come due each month.
From the current issue if the Treasury Bulletin.
Current Issue: Treasury Bulletin: Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service look at Table 1-4
The Average on Budget monthly receipts exceed the the interest in all but one of the last 24 months.
Spending more than we make is always a concern, but we are unlikely to not meet
the next minimum payment.
Receipts in Billions
Total , on Budget, off Budget
2012 - June 260,177 205,262 54,916
July 184,585 141,402 43,183
Aug 178,860 134,871 43,989
Sept 261,566 213,401 48,165
Oct 184,316 144,166 40,150
Nov 161,730 118,560 43,169
Dec 269,508 230,049 39,459
2013 - Jan 272,225 207,810 64,415
Feb 122,815 67,807 55,008
Mar 186,018 120,570 65,448
Apr 406,723 332,553 74,170
May 197,182 139,762 57,420
June 286,627 220,392 66,235
Interest on the debt.

2012 - June 103,887
July -52,817
Aug 20,045
Sept 16,700
Oct 12,923
Nov 25,069
Dec 95,737
2013 - Jan 17,817
Feb 16,882
Mar 23,472
Apr 35,952
May 24,378
June 93,032
 
Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

Europe does not have successful healthcare, nice try. And MA is a small scale, which would work, it's not national, you can't compare the two. The costs alone are bad for Americans. Apparently you don't watch the news.

Compared to America? Europe has very a successful healthcare program. Countries such as Sweden and Finland have some of the highest standards of living in the world. Costs are far better in Europe than America. I'm sorry if I don't watch Fox News, I just research.
 
Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

If I come onto your porch and demand that you give me half of your house, would you agree to do so? Suppose the situation were such that others were watching, and I declared you were the one responsible for the impasse for being unwilling to negotiate.

The point is that the ACA is a law. Congress passed it. The Supreme Court upheld it (by virtue of the vote of a conservative justice, I might add). Attempts to repeal it have failed. It's a house bought; there's no reason anyone should, or should have to, negotiate about defunding, delaying, or partially dismantling it.

Stupid analogy mimicking Obama's stupid analogy.
 
Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

sawyerloggingon said:
Stupid analogy mimicking Obama's stupid analogy.

It doesn't seem stupid to me, and no one who knows me personally has ever thought I'm stupid. If it is stupid, you ought to have no trouble explaining why. Feel free to try to do so.
 
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