View Poll Results: Does not giving the president everything he wants constitute government closure?

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Was this defense spending bill a pressing matter that was held past last minute though? Because unless it specifically was I'm afraid it has very little parallel with this current situation.
    Yes it was a pressing matter. And what is "last minute"? How much time do you consider adding a rider before a deadline is considered "Ok" or "wrong"? Otherwise can't answer your question. Though from what I seem to remember it was with in at least a month before the deadline. Posibly with in a week...not really sure. But it was close.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, it was sent to the Senate several months ago...
    Ah, I'm sorry I thought you meant one was recently put through within the past few days of weeks.

    I found the bill however.

    H.R.2397 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2014 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

    And you are right that indeed has not been passed by the senate, however I do not know if it has been introduced yet either.

    Though from the fact that this bill is still sitting in the senate has shown that obviously not of dire importance to our country.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Ah, I'm sorry I thought you meant one was recently put through within the past few days of weeks.

    I found the bill however.

    H.R.2397 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2014 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

    And you are right that indeed has not been passed by the senate, however I do not know if it has been introduced yet either.

    Though from the fact that this bill is still sitting in the senate has shown that obviously not of dire importance to our country.
    I would dare say the country cares but not the Senate leadership...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it was a pressing matter. And what is "last minute"? How much time do you consider adding a rider before a deadline is considered "Ok" or "wrong"? Otherwise can't answer your question. Though from what I seem to remember it was with in at least a month before the deadline. Posibly with in a week...not really sure. But it was close.
    I do not condone the adding of riders, however there is a difference when you still pass a bill on time with or without a rider and not passing one at all causing countless Americans to be inconvenienced.

    Apparantly it is not that pressing matter considering the bill is still sitting in the Senate
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    I do not condone the adding of riders, however there is a difference when you still pass a bill on time with or without a rider and not passing one at all causing countless Americans to be inconvenienced.

    Apparantly it is not that pressing matter considering the bill is still sitting in the Senate
    H.R.2397 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2014 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
    I was talking about another one, one that has already passed. I just can't remember it.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I would dare say the country cares but not the Senate leadership...
    Caring and importance are not necessarily the same thing. Can you honestly say that this bill is of the same importance as a spending bill for the National government and our debt ceiling?
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And who do you think is calling the shots for Senate Democrats?
    Senate Democrats

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Caring and importance are not necessarily the same thing. Can you honestly say that this bill is of the same importance as a spending bill for the National government and our debt ceiling?
    What difference does it make at this point in time? What do you think will happen if the debt ceiling is not increased?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I was talking about another one, one that has already passed. I just can't remember it.
    I'm fairly sure this is the same one. Although it is definitely possible I don't think congress has to pass a military spending bill every few months.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What difference does it make at this point in time? What do you think will happen if the debt ceiling is not increased?
    What difference does it make? The difference that it makes is that we default on our debt! We no longer make our payments to countries we are borrowing money from, our country runs on borrowed money. For practically all of the foreseeable future our government will rely on borrowed money. If we default on our debt we lose an incredible amount of credibility economically. We will be able to borrow less and less over time.
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