View Poll Results: Does not giving the president everything he wants constitute government closure?

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  • Yes, the government should be shut down if Obama doesn't get 100% what he wants

    2 8.70%
  • No, only what Congress will not fund should be shut down

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Yeah Obama criticized the Republicans before the shutdown by saying (paraphrasing) "They are gonna shutdown the government just because they don't get everything they want on this one issue?" The problem Mr. Obama, is that is the EXACT thing you did!
    The difference is 'his issue' is law, it's law with funding already allocated. That's why we head a vote on this in 2010, why we fought a brutal Midterm and Presidential election campaign largely on this topic, why we took this to the Supreme Court, and why we spent so much time and energy mobilizing support to repeal it. Every single attempt has been checked. The result? That this is law and it is legitimately so. The gall to claim that at this final juncture the President is the one being stubborn is audibly ludicrous.

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The difference is 'his issue' is law, it's law with funding already allocated. That's why we head a vote on this in 2010, why we fought a brutal Midterm and Presidential election campaign largely on this topic, why we took this to the Supreme Court, and why we spent so much time and energy mobilizing support to repeal it. Every single attempt has been checked. The result? That this is law and it is legitimately so. The gall to claim that at this final juncture the President is the one being stubborn is audibly ludicrous.
    I wouldn't say legitimately. You forget the Supreme Court edited the law to be a tax rather than a fine to make it legal. And the President IS being stubborn.
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    If I recall correctly the GOP controlled House voted over 31 times to repeal the ACA. I also recall someone saying doing the same thing repeatedly but expecting a different result is the definition of stupid or insanity, I can't remember which.

    I hazard to say the House Republicans could have done a lot in the time it took to pander to their base. I'd also say the ACA has been watered down and compromised quite a bit, all of which seems to only set the stage for a demand from the TPs for more concessions. Delaying the Big Business side of the ACA, and BB is no bastion of Democrat votes, only spurred the GOP on to demand more delays.

    It was interesting to hear many more moderate Republicans thought the Cruz plan was ill advised. Even more telling is for all of that the GOP Senators voted as a locked block. Also an eye-opener a very junior Senator is leading the GOP wing in our Senate.

    That something CAN be done in no way means it SHOULD be done. The House can refuse to fund the ACA, but in no way is the Senate or President bound to accept the back door repeal of ACA. (The House is but 1/3rd of our Legislative Government.) Nor should the House's TPs who are driving this be surprised if the Senate and President demand funding or no deal.

    The TPs were ill-advised to make the fight at budget time as the stakes for the economy and people are just too high. I guess the TPs believe their own propaganda and they can't win an election on their political policies as there are too many 'takers' that don't own Fortune 500 companies. So the issue must be forced before any new elections, and the people see for themselves if the ACA helps or hurts.

    Somewhere the concept of good for the country has been downgraded below good of a political theory. The TPs claim they are making this fight because the ACA will ruin the nation, but the method they are using to force what they couldn't get in the 1012 elections and 31 votes in the House is as ruinous as the perceived malady.

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I wouldn't say legitimately. You forget the Supreme Court edited the law to be a tax rather than a fine to make it legal. And the President IS being stubborn.
    Regardless of whether or not you agree with the Supreme Court decision (I don't agree with their justification either) the fact remains that it was legitimately conducted. It is valid legislation and it has already received its budget. This is desperate chicanery and its loathsome. As a conservative who values prudence, stability, and pragmatism I would never want to establish the precedent of holding our government and credit hostage each time we decide that there is something onerous a party wants to tear into. That is a recipe for recurring disaster.

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Regardless of whether or not you agree with the Supreme Court decision (I don't agree with their justification either) the fact remains that it was legitimately conducted. It is valid legislation and it has already received its budget. This is desperate chicanery and its loathsome. As a conservative who values prudence, stability, and pragmatism I would never want to establish the precedent of holding our government and credit hostage each time we decide that there is something onerous a party wants to tear into. That is a recipe for recurring disaster.
    Except there is precedent for this sort of thing.....
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    What an idiotic poll.
    Anyone who thinks the Democrats have a hand in the shut down or that it is not 100% a Republican tantrum, was either dropped on their head as a child or lives in an anti news bubble.

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    daaaaa i dont know what planet or country you live in but the prez is not getting everything he wants how many times does he have to say it.... he is using the repubs spending numbers not his...he wanted more and he is not getting more dammmmmmmm he agreed to the repubs spending budget..the repubs want 100% what they want and boehner want let the congress vote let the citizens see the count!!!!!!!

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    That's not my point.

    What concessions are the democrats asking for? None, it is purely one sided bargaining from the Republicans. You cannot call for a compromise when there is only one side trying to gain anything from this situation. A real compromise would be if the spending bill without the republicans demands went through and was passed. This won't happen though because Boehner and some congressional republicans wont put it up for a vote.

    What republicans are asking for is not a compromise right now, it is a concession for absolutely nothing in return. It is overwhelmingly the Republicans fault this shutdown is still occurring right now.
    You know, I love clean bills. I really do. I would accept a clean bill.

    There is only one problem. NEITHER side offers "clean bills".

    Awhile ago, and I can't remember exactly which one, but Democrats refused to let a defense spending bill pass without the riders that had absolutely nothing to do with the defense bill. And that is government spending on our military. Our very safety. Yet Democrats didn't care. Guess what? They got those riders and the defense bill passed due to republicans caving in. Funny how the democrats would compromise our very safety of a defense spending bill and yet when it comes to this government shutdown the democrats can't cave in on something that will ultimately not affect the very thing they are trying to protect?
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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    I am new to the forums but this poll seems partisan from the start. How is it just about Obama?

    Another option to balance this right leaning poll out should be:
    4. The Republicans should vote to fund all previously approved laws, and work towards changing the ones they do not like through proper legislative channels.

    The first 2 are basically, cave in to Obama. Stand up to Obama. Or I dont know what the heck I am talking about, ........or other.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.

    The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.

    Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?

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    Re: Does refusing to give Obama anything he wants constitute closing down the governm

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    What an idiotic poll.
    Anyone who thinks the Democrats have a hand in the shut down or that it is not 100% a Republican tantrum, was either dropped on their head as a child or lives in an anti news bubble.
    This is as simplistic as the view in the OP. While I certainly feel that republicans are mostly at fault, they certainly are not entirely so. Until both sides set out reasonable demands and concessions, both have a share in the blame. I think republicans biggest fault here is they seem to see ending the shut down a concession, and it isn't.
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