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    Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And those crazy elements as you call it aren't going to come out and vote for a Romney or a McCain that is basically just a democrat in denial.
    Most of them do. They listen to months of propaganda about how Romney/McCain are socialists and as bad as Obama, then when they get the nomination, it's, "Oh, well, it's the lesser of two evils. We'd better vote for them." And the majority do, certain that next time it'll be a reactionary radical populist from the Tea Party . . . but it's not. Next time it's Romney -- and they vote for him too.
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    Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

    Scalia is the crazy old bat.

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    Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    MMM... I don't think I made up the definition for the word "dynamic", and I didn't use it as a descriptor; you did that.
    No I wouldn't consider myself libertarian. I consider myself a Moralist, which has me firmly leaning toward libertarian ism, but without the dope and such.
    Before you lean too far libertarian, here is something to consider: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1061216315.
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    Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    She is under pressure to retire while Obama is in the White House. She doesn't want to retire. She has one of the most interesting jobs in the world. And - whatever you think about Scalia or Kennedy "ideologically" - chatting with them over lunch should be a little more intellectually rewarding than playing bingo (or whatever it is retired upper class Jewish ladies do). Of course she "predicts another Democrat".
    I will say one of the more distasteful things I find in our political process is the desire among partisans to have SCOTUS justices either die or retire while their preferred party holds the OO so they can appoint someone else. Ginsburg will retire when she's good and ready. I've seen this for years ... I remember Republicans champing at the bit for Thurgood Marshall to retire when Reagan/Bush were in office (he did); I remember Democrats basically rooting for Stevens to croak so they could appoint a liberal to the court (he didn't, but retired anyway and is still kicking at 93).

    I also found it to be a bit of political opportunism for Bush to bump Roberts' appointment from justice to chief justice when Rehnquist died. If I had my druthers, which I obviously do not, I think the successor to the chief justice of the SCOTUS should be taken from the existing court, rather than have a newbie take over the top job. That was fortuitous timing that Bush did not waste; however, I cannot definitively say it was to the detriment of the court, since the obvious choice for CJ (had Roberts been previously appointed) would have been Scalia, and NO THANK YOU.
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    Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not willing to give up my liberty for the community and to perfectly blunt I find the demand on me to do so by the community unsettling and unjustified. You don't demand that you fellow citizens give up their rights because you might benefit from it. That is an unacceptable demand that no one should willingly accept. It honestly doesn't matter to me when talking about government that people need certain things in their life be that money when they retire, an education, healthcare, a living wage, housing, food, clothing, any of it. To demand someone to provide for peoples needs is an unacceptable demand to put on someone else. I will help people that i see fit to help in ways that I see fit to help them or I will do nothing about it and let it be how it is. It is only my concern when I make it my concern and no one gets to tell me otherwise. It doesn't matter to me what people think. Liberty is a human right and I will not accept it's violation, ever.

    I was raised to help people, but I was not raised to take from people what is not mine nor was I raised to order people around to do my bidding and ignore their protest. That is what government is doing with these welfare programs, wage controls(minimum wage), public accommodation laws, subsidies, mandates, etc and I have no stomach for it. It flat out pisses me off when I see my money going to Social Security and I had no say in it. Apparently, I'm supposed to be grateful for the government for looking out for me, but I never asked them to look out for me. I can take care of myself and I sure as hell don't need the government taking my income to pay the elderly against my will.

    What really gets to me most of all is that the supporters of these policies tells me that I'm immoral. I'm the guy that is telling them to leave people alone and deal with people on a voluntary level, while they are the party ordering people into commerce, telling business owners they must accept everyone on their property and hire people not on the owners terms, but on their terms, and most importantly for the topic, forcing everyone into charity, and yet somehow I'm the guy that is immoral.
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    Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Before you lean too far libertarian, here is something to consider: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1061216315.
    I have read through the post but have not read the studies. The excerpts have led me to tentatively conclude three things.

    1. The interpretation of the data is likely influenced by the confirmation bias of the authors (upwards of 80% of psychology professors are politically liberal).
    2. The commentary shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how individualism affects society, and improves the general welfare. The commentary does not include the prospect that "self interest" includes social improvement for a larger community, nor does it contemplate benefits of experiencing difficulty.
    3. The viability of libertarianism as a governing philosophy is necessarily correlated to the extant that individuals are moral agents (George Washington warned that we would not keep our republican form of government without a moral populace).

    Finally, I do not consider myself a libertarian, as I said before, I consider myself a moralist. I lean libertarian to the extant that I believe in individual liberty. No other person does or should have a claim on another's ability to make individual choices apart from the objective harm that one might cause.

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    Re: Ruth Bader Ginsberg predicts another Dem in the White House. Do you Agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Finally, I do not consider myself a libertarian, as I said before, I consider myself a moralist. I lean libertarian to the extant that I believe in individual liberty. No other person does or should have a claim on another's ability to make individual choices apart from the objective harm that one might cause.
    I have a similar view. A bias towards liberty over control, combined with understanding the necessity of rule of law. The burden of proof is on those who would restrict. I am all in favor of regulations and law provided they a) are constitutional, and b) actually address a problem we all agree exists, and c) has a reasonable chance of alleviating that problem.

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