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Is this administration just a bunch of children?

Does this admninistration act like children?


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The only people that I see acting like children are the GOP, which still refuses to admit that it lost the election last November.

When this kerfuffle is over with, the GOP will pay a price for its stupidity.

Don't take my word for this, wait and see.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
The only people that I see acting like children are the GOP, which still refuses to admit that it lost the election last November.

When this kerfuffle is over with, the GOP will pay a price for its stupidity.

Don't take my word for this, wait and see.
OK, I wont take your word for it because you don't know what you are talking about. Let me help you. The shut down wont change a single vote in 2014. Just how upset people are with the implementation of Obamacare will.
 
I disagree that it is the Republicans that are primarily to blame, The Dems could have passed the House bill in the Senate and the President could sign it ant there would be no shut down. There would just not be funding for Obama Care.

What you are saying right now is that the Democrats are to blame for Republicans making unreasonable demands, and not succumbing to them. This is absolutely preposterous. Just because you want it to be so does not mean that something is by any means reasonable.

Asking the Democrats to defund Obamacare was a crock, and a failed bluff by the Congressional Republicans. This has only resulted only in them losing face and having the country incredibly inconvenienced.
 
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What you are saying right now is that the Democrats are to blame for Republicans making unreasonable demands, and not succumbing to them. This is absolutely preposterous. Just because you want it to be so does not mean that something is by any means reasonable.

Asking the Democrats to defund Obamacare was a crock and, a failed bluff by the Congressional Republicans. This has only resulted only in them losing face and having the country incredibly inconvenienced.

And for the billionth time, the republicans in the house compromised. It has no longer been about the defunding of Obamacare for some time now. Now it's about giving the rest of us the same delay granted to the president's political butt buddies.
 
And for the billionth time, the republicans in the house compromised. It has no longer been about the defunding of Obamacare for some time now. Now it's about giving the rest of us the same delay granted to the president's political butt buddies.

the buissness mandate is not essential to the implementation of the law, that is why it could be delayed.

the individual mandate can not be delayed because it is essential to the implementation of the law.
 
So who is acting like children? They don't have the votes to get it done legislatively, and the ACA was upheld in the Supreme Court even with Roberts, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas on the bench.

They are not only acting like children but setting a dangerous precedent. Lets get to the brink of default, and because we don't like something refuse to move forward until the minority's agenda is passed. Wait til the shoe is on the other foot, and the Dems do it to the GOP. Because now they will. Bad politics breeds more bad politics.

What should be done, is what we should expect them to do. Fund legislation to get us out of the emergency. THEN, work towards changing legislation they do not like. IF they cannot get it done through votes, then the system has worked. The people have spoken.
Sir, yes, SIR!

I've never been a Marine, so I don't want to push my luck and use "Ooh-rah."
 
I disagree that it is the Republicans that are primarily to blame, The Dems could have passed the House bill in the Senate and the President could sign it ant there would be no shut down. There would just not be funding for Obama Care.

And that is absolutely unacceptable. You'll notice that, in 2007, Pelosi didn't tie keeping the government open to stopping the Iraq War and repealing the Bush Tax Cuts. Because she loves America more than John Boehner and his puppetmasters do.
 
OK, I wont take your word for it because you don't know what you are talking about. Let me help you. The shut down wont change a single vote in 2014. Just how upset people are with the implementation of Obamacare will.

There are now 18 Republican incumbents who are trailing in polls.

No, wait, 17. One of them, Bill Young of Florida, the seniormost Republican in the House (first elected in 1970), announced his retirement. He could read the polls, and the writing on the wall.

Florida 13: Young
 
And for the billionth time, the republicans in the house compromised. It has no longer been about the defunding of Obamacare for some time now. Now it about giving the rest of us the same delay granted to the president's political butt buddies.

We are not talking about the current state of negotiations, we are talking about the cause of the whole situation.

However still that is not true. There is no real compromise set forth by the house. The congressional republicans just asking for less concessions just not justify a compromise in any reasonable person's mind. Tell me one thing the Democrats have requested as a concession from the Republicans since this situation has started.

To retort your second point, the only non-consequential delays I could find were for employers, which wouldn't even really delay Obamacare itself, it would only delay their requirement to provide an insurance plan. So that political "butt-buddy" comment really doesn't make much if any sense.
 
Wow, is there any place on the internet I can get away from bias? This poll is another sham poll. If this is an argument, you would ask if any of the parties involved are to blame. Not just varying degrees of one ideology's right over the other obviously wrong one.

Is the Administration acting like children? No. The GOP is. As I understand it there were some GOP budget cuts already in the piece the House passed, that the Senate said they would also approve. I will have to look up the number. But the GOP wants everything they want and if they dont get it, they won't put it up for a vote even.

So who is acting like children?

They don't have the votes to get it done legislatively, and the ACA was upheld in the Supreme Court even with Roberts, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas on the bench.

They are not only acting like children but setting a dangerous precedent. Lets get to the brink of default, and because we don't like something refuse to move forward until the minority's agenda is passed. Wait til the shoe is on the other foot, and the Dems do it to the GOP. Because now they will. Bad politics breeds more bad politics.

What should be done, is what we should expect them to do. Fund legislation to get us out of the emergency. THEN, work towards changing legislation they do not like. IF they cannot get it done through votes, then the system has worked. The people have spoken.

Now whether or not the voice of the people is an accurate representation of the good of the people is another matter. We have corporate controlled media, who believe the ends justify the means, and that viewpoints are not right or wrong but instead market share or market dynamics, feeding the population with corn syrup news via an IV drop all day every day, feeding us with false truths, half truths, misdirected facts and opinions masqueraded as fact. They are dividing right and wrong between them into left and right (black or white analogy). Converting issues and substance into opposition to the other party, so that truth and fiction are hard to tell apart anymore. Once we don't know what is truth and what is partisan cattle prods guiding us where they want us to go, into our opposite camps, then we believe anything they say. How do you find truth in all of that? Combine that with the fact that our politicians are placed in office not by us, but by corporate and wealthy donors courtesy of PAC's, Super PACs, and other contributions, and they owe their donors more than their constituencies. We are just cattle falling into line following the media as it tells us where to go and what to believe..... Sorry getting sick of the partisanry and lack of grasp on reality in this public domain. :(

IF the GOP wanted everything as you say, the debt ceiling would not continue to be raised as it has been in the past with no slow down on spending.
 
I can accept disagreements, due to differences of opinion. I cannot accept willful ignorance.
You must be deaf then.
No, my hearing is just fine. So is my vision (when I have my glasses on), and I can see the willful ignorance of conservatives and libertarians very well.
 
We are not talking about the current state of negotiations, we are talking about the cause of the whole situation.

However still that is not true. There is no real compromise set forth by the house. The congressional republicans just asking for less concessions just not justify a compromise in any reasonable person's mind. Tell me one thing the Democrats have requested as a concession from the Republicans since this situation has started.

To retort your second point, the only non-consequential delays I could find were for employers, which wouldn't even really delay Obamacare itself, it would only delay their requirement to provide an insurance plan. So that political "butt-buddy" comment really doesn't make much if any sense.

It's all in the framing isn't it? The only position, the only request the dems have had from the beginning is our way or nothing. The repubs started with the defunding of Obamacare and compromised with a one year delay instead.

As to that last, how about giving us all the same exemption given to their political butt buddies? Your take on what is consequential is not to be trusted.
 
I can accept disagreements, due to differences of opinion. I cannot accept willful ignorance.

No, my hearing is just fine. So is my vision (when I have my glasses on), and I can see the willful ignorance of conservatives and libertarians very well.

When Krauthammer calls Cruz and Lee the 'Kamakazie brigade,
I couldn't resist my Kamakazie Kruz Klowns.
 

Article I, Section 9, Pgh 7:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law.

It's kind of disgusting to attempt to use the bravery of those men as political fodder. Imagine the terror those guys felt as the ramp dropped. And somehow you're going to try and associate that with a GOP temper tantrum?
 
Article I, Section 9, Pgh 7:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law.

It's kind of disgusting to attempt to use the bravery of those men as political fodder. Imagine the terror those guys felt as the ramp dropped. And somehow you're going to try and associate that with a GOP temper tantrum?

The appropriations have already been made by law when congress authorized the memorial. Those appropriations are now obligations.

And what's disgusting is the attempt to use the bravery of those men as political blackmail by the dems.
 
The appropriations have already been made by law when congress authorized the memorial. Those appropriations are now obligations.

And what's disgusting is the attempt to use the bravery of those men as political blackmail by the dems.
The two laws establishing the monument.
Text of H.R. 1247 (106th): World War II Memorial Completion Act (Introduced version) - GovTrack.us
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ11/html/PLAW-107publ11.htm

The funding language:
‘(d) USE OF MEMORIAL FUND- The memorial fund shall be available to the Commission for--

‘(1) the expenses of establishing the World War II memorial, including the maintenance and preservation amount provided for in section 8(b) of the Commemorative Works Act (40 U.S.C. 1008(b));

‘(2) such other expenses, other than routine maintenance, with respect to the World War II memorial as the Commission considers warranted; and

‘(3) to secure, obtain, register, enforce, protect, and license any mark, copyright or patent that is owned by, assigned to, or licensed to the Commission under section 2103(l) of this title to aid or facilitate the construction of the World War II memorial.

Sorry, yet another incorrect statement by a tea partier. Congress didn't allocate any special resources for the day to day operations of the WWII memorial.
 
Rutabaga.

Poll is totally skewered, biased and silly.
 
Like children? Not really. Acting like a child would imply some level of innocence or not understanding when they do something wrong.

The assholes part? Definitely. I "like" Obama on Facebook to follow updates and whatnot. Instead of acting like a mature leader willing to work and compromise literally all of his recent posts have been about attacking the Tea Party, Republicans, and highlighting how they want food to be unsafe or some other partisan crap.
 
If they were children you could spank them and send them to bed without their dinner
they are monsters dead set on the destruction of our nation
a lil bit a difference there eh?
 
What you are saying right now is that the Democrats are to blame for Republicans making unreasonable demands, and not succumbing to them. This is absolutely preposterous. Just because you want it to be so does not mean that something is by any means reasonable.

Asking the Democrats to defund Obamacare was a crock, and a failed bluff by the Congressional Republicans. This has only resulted only in them losing face and having the country incredibly inconvenienced.


If the corporations and Unions are not ready for this I do not think that the bulk of the people are ready. Also a majority of States are not willing to run their own systems since the States cannot afford to do so. (Temporary funding is temporary.) Also there is not likely to be as much purchasing from the 20-somethings that are required to make it solvent. It would be in their best interest to take the penalty and that is if they can afford that. ( You cannot squeeze blood from a turnip.)

And with respect to defunding so far this is an action to delay implementation. The Republicans hope that the Elections will go their way in 2014 and then they would be able to try to repeal it.
 
It's a Republican shutdown. It's a shame this small group of Cruz novices, who don't understand how the federal govt works, was allowed to force a shutdown by the leaders in the House.

But it's a losing game to blame the shutdown on Obama. For one thing, what is shut down is the decision of bureaucrats, not Obama. And it's a thing decided ahead of time, although it can be altered a bit, I think. But "nonessentials" are decided at intervals, by people in the govt, for occasions such as this. They didn't get together in a smoke filled room one night and decide what to shutdown. It's predetermined, for the most part. But I'm sure Cruz researched this and knew that, right? I'm sure he knew veterans establishments would be shut down, some veterans wouldn't receive health care, children with cancer wouldn't be able to get treatments, children who rely on federal subsidies for food would have to go hungry, etc. He knew all that, right?

But you either have a shutdown or you don't. You don't declare a shutdown, then oops! decide to UN-shutdown some things that are unpopular with your constituents, picking some people as more important than others. Are veterans more important than children with cancer? Are healthy veterans who want to visit a memorial more important than ailing veterans in dire need of health care? There's a story about this in the Bible. It's about Soloman and a baby. But I'm sure Cruz knows that story, right?

Not necessarily untrue, but... the Administration, chooses how it's done, so to try and absolve the Administration of any blame is a losing game as well. As is trying to push off the blame on mindless/faceless bureaucrats. President Obama could have easily said, "No, putting barricades around the WW2 Memorial is not what I think we should be doing, take them down.", but he didn't.
 
Not necessarily untrue, but... the Administration, chooses how it's done, so to try and absolve the Administration of any blame is a losing game as well. As is trying to push off the blame on mindless/faceless bureaucrats. President Obama could have easily said, "No, putting barricades around the WW2 Memorial is not what I think we should be doing, take them down.", but he didn't.

He could have not allowed it, I suppose. But why? The Memorial was shut down by the Republicans in the House. It's off limits. There's no staff, no grounds maintenance, no security, no parking attendants, and whatever else staff is required to maintain any public grounds. If you're going to open the Memorial, then why not retract the shutdown, so the Memorial grounds can be staffed, secure, safe, and all public agencies open to all. Children going without cancer treatments are as important as veterans who want to visit the Memorial.

This is just grandstanding by the tea party politicians to placate their constituents, when they realized what a shutdown means and that their constituents don't like it. Cruz, Palin, & another politician turned the veterans protest today into a hate filled political rally, all but calling Obama a muslim, not American, and demanding our elected President leave the country. Can't get more unpatriotic and undemocratic (not to mention KKK type hateful and hate filled) than that.
 
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