Shadow Serious
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It's a Republican shutdown.
No, the Democrats in the Senate had the option of passing the House bill that did not fund Obama Care and they chose not to. The House is well within their authority not to fund a program since it has the Power of the Purse. The Senate Could have passed it and then there could be a discussion of what to do about Obama Care.
It's a shame this small group of Cruz novices, who don't understand how the federal govt works, was allowed to force a shutdown by the leaders in the House.
They know how goverment works thus they are forcing the issue this way. Obama and the Dem Leadership in the Senate are not wanting to do any compromise on Obama Care.
But it's a losing game to blame the shutdown on Obama.
While Obama has publicly stated that he will not agree with the House Bill in question at this point it is the Democrats in the Senate that are the ones to blame. They could just pass the bill and have confidence that Obama will Veto.
For one thing, what is shut down is the decision of bureaucrats, not Obama.
No, Obama is President and he signs Executive Orders determining what gets shut down how, why and when.
And it's a thing decided ahead of time, although it can be altered a bit, I think.
It is determined ahead of time by Obama and yes he can make needed alterations.
But "nonessentials" are decided at intervals, by people in the govt, for occasions such as this.
Obama will be advised on this issue but he is the one to make the decision.
They didn't get together in a smoke filled room one night and decide what to shutdown.
No, that crowd is probably a non-smoking crowd. Also it probably was a luncheon with watercress sandwiches with Obama and the Democratic Leadership.
It's predetermined, for the most part.
Of course it is predetermined.
But I'm sure Cruz researched this and knew that, right?
I'm sure he knew that Obama would pull a shutdown.
I'm sure he knew veterans establishments would be shut down, some veterans wouldn't receive health care, children with cancer wouldn't be able to get treatments, children who rely on federal subsidies for food would have to go hungry, etc. He knew all that, right?
I do not think he knew in what detail the shutdown would take. The fact that children with cancer is being used as a political football is on Obama.
But you either have a shutdown or you don't.
You mean like "being a little bit pregnant?" No, there are a verity of "species" of shutdowns however.
You don't declare a shutdown, then oops! decide to UN-shutdown some things that are unpopular with your constituents, picking some people as more important than others.
Obama has been playing favorites all along. He gave numerous exceptions to Obama Care to Corporations and Unions for one year. I think the remiander of the population should get that same favor.
Are veterans more important than children with cancer?
If we have nationalized health care this is one of the questions that will be determined by the government. What is needed for our People is a health system that is individualized for each person. You will not get that if you have a health care system run by the government. Government will at least on the surface have to look impartal and it will have it run by the numbers and profiles ignoring the individual.
Are healthy veterans who want to visit a memorial more important than ailing veterans in dire need of health care?
Closing the Memorial costs more money than keeping it open. Letting veterans visit a memorial (who, may themselves, be not all that healthy) has near zero cost and those in dire need of health care will still get the substandard treatment that is still available to veterans.
There's a story about this in the Bible. It's about Soloman and a baby. But I'm sure Cruz knows that story, right?
Bad analogy, Obama is not any way near a Solomon and the baby in question (Obama Care) is his.