View Poll Results: Does this admninistration act like children?

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    28 65.12%
  • no, I think it is cool they are blocking off public exhibits

    4 9.30%
  • They are just assholes

    17 39.53%
  • Anything to screw with the public is ok with me

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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    It's a Republican shutdown.
    No, the Democrats in the Senate had the option of passing the House bill that did not fund Obama Care and they chose not to. The House is well within their authority not to fund a program since it has the Power of the Purse. The Senate Could have passed it and then there could be a discussion of what to do about Obama Care.

    It's a shame this small group of Cruz novices, who don't understand how the federal govt works, was allowed to force a shutdown by the leaders in the House.
    They know how goverment works thus they are forcing the issue this way. Obama and the Dem Leadership in the Senate are not wanting to do any compromise on Obama Care.

    But it's a losing game to blame the shutdown on Obama.
    While Obama has publicly stated that he will not agree with the House Bill in question at this point it is the Democrats in the Senate that are the ones to blame. They could just pass the bill and have confidence that Obama will Veto.

    For one thing, what is shut down is the decision of bureaucrats, not Obama.
    No, Obama is President and he signs Executive Orders determining what gets shut down how, why and when.

    And it's a thing decided ahead of time, although it can be altered a bit, I think.
    It is determined ahead of time by Obama and yes he can make needed alterations.

    But "nonessentials" are decided at intervals, by people in the govt, for occasions such as this.
    Obama will be advised on this issue but he is the one to make the decision.

    They didn't get together in a smoke filled room one night and decide what to shutdown.
    No, that crowd is probably a non-smoking crowd. Also it probably was a luncheon with watercress sandwiches with Obama and the Democratic Leadership.

    It's predetermined, for the most part.
    Of course it is predetermined.

    But I'm sure Cruz researched this and knew that, right?
    I'm sure he knew that Obama would pull a shutdown.

    I'm sure he knew veterans establishments would be shut down, some veterans wouldn't receive health care, children with cancer wouldn't be able to get treatments, children who rely on federal subsidies for food would have to go hungry, etc. He knew all that, right?
    I do not think he knew in what detail the shutdown would take. The fact that children with cancer is being used as a political football is on Obama.

    But you either have a shutdown or you don't.
    You mean like "being a little bit pregnant?" No, there are a verity of "species" of shutdowns however.

    You don't declare a shutdown, then oops! decide to UN-shutdown some things that are unpopular with your constituents, picking some people as more important than others.
    Obama has been playing favorites all along. He gave numerous exceptions to Obama Care to Corporations and Unions for one year. I think the remiander of the population should get that same favor.

    Are veterans more important than children with cancer?
    If we have nationalized health care this is one of the questions that will be determined by the government. What is needed for our People is a health system that is individualized for each person. You will not get that if you have a health care system run by the government. Government will at least on the surface have to look impartal and it will have it run by the numbers and profiles ignoring the individual.

    Are healthy veterans who want to visit a memorial more important than ailing veterans in dire need of health care?
    Closing the Memorial costs more money than keeping it open. Letting veterans visit a memorial (who, may themselves, be not all that healthy) has near zero cost and those in dire need of health care will still get the substandard treatment that is still available to veterans.

    There's a story about this in the Bible. It's about Soloman and a baby. But I'm sure Cruz knows that story, right?
    Bad analogy, Obama is not any way near a Solomon and the baby in question (Obama Care) is his.
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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Ordering and causing are two different things in this instance.

    To understand why they closed the parks read this article
    National Parks Close As Other Public Lands Stay Open : NPR

    Now take into consideration the circumstances of how our government shutdown and maybe you'll see why the administration is not nearly at fault as when compared to congressional republicans.
    The article shows that the National Parks are closed down due to the requirements involved with conserving the wildlife and scenery this has nothing to do about who is at fault for the shutdown.
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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    That's because the National Park Service runs the Monuments. Can you imagine the sheer volume of people moving through there everyday? Now imagine maintaining and supervising these when practically all of your staff has been furloughed.
    This can be rectified by changing the department responsible for memorials on the Mall.
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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Oh for F-sake. I get it. I really get it. I don't like the health care law either, I'm not a fan of the President (and I didn't vote for him), and I wish we had more clout in Washington. But THIS is what is childish. I'm honestly astonished at the reaction my fellow 'Conservatives' and 'Libertarians' have had to the shutdown. I mean what the hell did you think was going to happen? This is the consequence for our elected officials making a terrible and pedantic choice to try and fight a legitimately passed piece of legislation that they have zero (read that again: zero) chance of stopping. When the government shuts down it doesn't keep open just the things that we like. Is it BS that the World War II Memorial is closed? Yeah it probably be is. But for christ sake direct your anger at the right target.
    The Dems in the Senate are the ones to blame at this point. They did not pass the House bill. They are the ones who are not in a compromise posture.
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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The Dems in the Senate are the ones to blame at this point. They did not pass the House bill. They are the ones who are not in a compromise posture.
    They don't need to compromise and if we were them we wouldn't compromise. It is ridiculous.

    We failed to prevent the passage of the ACA, we lost the Presidential election, we failed to retake the Senate, we lost in the Supreme Court. Now we wait till the government is down to the wire and we threaten to bring the whole thing down unless we get the chances we demand on the ACA? Not going to happen. We aren't going to get it and we are going to be crushed in the polls. I'm for PA and our position has already plummeted even amongst incumbents who had nothing to do with the shutdown faction.

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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    It's a Republican shutdown. It's a shame this small group of Cruz novices, who don't understand how the federal govt works, was allowed to force a shutdown by the leaders in the House.

    But it's a losing game to blame the shutdown on Obama. For one thing, what is shut down is the decision of bureaucrats, not Obama. And it's a thing decided ahead of time, although it can be altered a bit, I think. But "nonessentials" are decided at intervals, by people in the govt, for occasions such as this. They didn't get together in a smoke filled room one night and decide what to shutdown. It's predetermined, for the most part. But I'm sure Cruz researched this and knew that, right? I'm sure he knew veterans establishments would be shut down, some veterans wouldn't receive health care, children with cancer wouldn't be able to get treatments, children who rely on federal subsidies for food would have to go hungry, etc. He knew all that, right?

    But you either have a shutdown or you don't. You don't declare a shutdown, then oops! decide to UN-shutdown some things that are unpopular with your constituents, picking some people as more important than others. Are veterans more important than children with cancer? Are healthy veterans who want to visit a memorial more important than ailing veterans in dire need of health care? There's a story about this in the Bible. It's about Soloman and a baby. But I'm sure Cruz knows that story, right?
    Factually false, Obama and Reid are the ones who think "they are winning" and have shutdown the government.
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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Blue Ridge inn's act of defiance lasts about 2 hours

    Answer...yes.

    They usually have exactly ZERO personnel monitoring these roads and byways. Of course...due to the Bring the Pain campaign, the administration is dedicating 6 times the manpower...because...you know...the shutdown and all...

    Petulant children from the top down. And sadly, there is a steady line of passengers boarding that ship of fools all too eager to justify the administrations stupidity.

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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    They don't need to compromise and if we were them we wouldn't compromise. It is ridiculous.

    We failed to prevent the passage of the ACA, we lost the Presidential election, we failed to retake the Senate, we lost in the Supreme Court. Now we wait till the government is down to the wire and we threaten to bring the whole thing down unless we get the chances we demand on the ACA? Not going to happen. We aren't going to get it and we are going to be crushed in the polls. I'm for PA and our position has already plummeted even amongst incumbents who had nothing to do with the shutdown faction.
    The standard policy of the Democrats is no compromise. There is significant opposition to Obama Care and the constituents of the Republican House members want it to be stopped otherwise this would not be happening. The idea that the Republicans should just let this happen means essentially that there is no need of a second Party. There comes a time where one must take a stand and take any consequences with that come with it. By not taking this stand means that the citizens who are opposed to Obama Care will not have a voice in this and will be forced to seek another Party or go in opposition to the government policy.
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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    How many here have been to DC? I have. There is no legitimate reason to block off the various outdoor exhibits other than Obama and company choose to act like children. Same with Mt. Rushmore. They are spending more money just to be assholes.
    Minor correction - what they spend, how much they spend, how much they borrow so they can spend, and on what they spend is what makes them what they are.

    On the other hand - you're right too - image is everything to these people.

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    Re: Is this administration just a bunch of children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The standard policy of the Democrats is no compromise. There is significant opposition to Obama Care and the constituents of the Republican House members want it to be stopped otherwise this would not be happening. The idea that the Republicans should just let this happen means essentially that there is no need of a second Party. There comes a time where one must take a stand and take any consequences with that come with it. By not taking this stand means that the citizens who are opposed to Obama Care will not have a voice in this and will be forced to seek another Party or go in opposition to the government policy.
    Well tough crap! A significant amount of Democrats didn't want our tax cut package in 2001 but they would have been insane to shutdown the government over it. And the voters would have punished them for it.

    Sometimes laws get passed that you don't like, sometimes perspectives triumph that you'd rather not see ascendant. If we are going to establish the precedent that the government can be torpedoed whenever the party in opposition doesn't completely get its way than we might as well abandon the notion of Republican government because nothing will get done. We have ample opportunities to fight off the ACA and we lost every single one of them. This is like cheating at the end zone.

    So fine. Accept your consequences, but the sane part of our party, movement, whatever you want to call it will blame you when Democrats reclaim the House in November.

    Oh. And we will still have the ACA. *facepalm*

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