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    What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    With the shutdown in progress I decided it was time to compare some stats today with the stats of November 2012 when President Obama won a second term.
    Party Affiliation
    Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
    Today 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent

    President Obama Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 54% Approval 41% Disapproval
    Today 41% Approval 52% Disapproval

    Congressional Job Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 17% Approval 78% Disapproval
    Today 14% Approval 78% Disapproval

    The last stat thanks to Gallup is on independents since both of the major parties have shrunk while independents have gained. It is how Independents viewed President Obama

    Nov 2012 51% of independents viewed him favorably and they came through for him on Election day.
    Today only 36% of independents now view the president favorably.

    So what do all these numbers mean? I think each individual should view them and then let me know what they think. These numbers will mean different things to different people.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    We need a reworking of the voting system; if we implemented Instant Runoff Voting, or some other ranked voting system, we could stop tactical voting. People should vote for who they want to win, not who they think could win. If independents were a viable option, and "wasted votes" were not an issue, we might get out of this Democrat/Republican cycle of incompetence.

    People always blame the other side for why America's failing, but they keep forgetting that both sides have been failing for a century; maybe it's time to stop voting for the "republican side" or the "democrat side", and start voting for someone who's main "side" is the American people. I wouldn't push which independent they should vote for, but they should start considering independents.

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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    We need a reworking of the voting system; if we implemented Instant Runoff Voting, or some other ranked voting system, we could stop tactical voting. People should vote for who they want to win, not who they think could win. If independents were a viable option, and "wasted votes" were not an issue, we might get out of this Democrat/Republican cycle of incompetence.

    People always blame the other side for why America's failing, but they keep forgetting that both sides have been failing for a century; maybe it's time to stop voting for the "republican side" or the "democrat side", and start voting for someone who's main "side" is the American people. I wouldn't push which independent they should vote for, but they should start considering independents.
    The solution to candidates other than republicans or democrats winning is making a party who actually appeals to voters, not trying to rig the system.
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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    With the shutdown in progress I decided it was time to compare some stats today with the stats of November 2012 when President Obama won a second term.
    Party Affiliation
    Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
    Today 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent

    President Obama Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 54% Approval 41% Disapproval
    Today 41% Approval 52% Disapproval

    Congressional Job Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 17% Approval 78% Disapproval
    Today 14% Approval 78% Disapproval

    The last stat thanks to Gallup is on independents since both of the major parties have shrunk while independents have gained. It is how Independents viewed President Obama

    Nov 2012 51% of independents viewed him favorably and they came through for him on Election day.
    Today only 36% of independents now view the president favorably.

    So what do all these numbers mean? I think each individual should view them and then let me know what they think. These numbers will mean different things to different people.
    Bad news for every one, but that is not surprising. The party affiliation one is the one that probably means the most since it could have a real impact on the next election, but that will change again before then I am sure.
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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The solution to candidates other than republicans or democrats winning is making a party who actually appeals to voters, not trying to rig the system.
    How is IRV or Ranked Voting, rigging the system? There are dozens of countries that do their elections that way, and they typically have much more consistent approval ratings for their elected officials. By the OP's numbers, if the ballot read "Democrat", "Republican", "Independent", the Independent would win the vote, given the absence of tactical voting. A ranked vote is simply a way of alleviating the fear of "wasting" a vote, that leads to people voting against themselves. It would reduce the "lesser of two evils" phenomena. I really don't see the "rigging" part, where the will of the people is represented instead of the will of either the DEM or GOP party. If people really do prefer DEM or GOP, that candidate would still win in an IRV or Ranked Vote election.

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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Bad news for every one, but that is not surprising. The party affiliation one is the one that probably means the most since it could have a real impact on the next election, but that will change again before then I am sure.
    Yes it will as these polls are all dynamic and change is inevitable. What really struck me, is that for the first time in history, more Americans call themselves independents than those who affiliate/identify themselves with both political parties. That fact alone I think is very significant.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The solution to candidates other than republicans or democrats winning is making a party who actually appeals to voters, not trying to rig the system.
    Having worked for Ross Perot and followed various independent candidates since. They system is rigged. Remember Republicans and Democrats write the election laws and they write them as a mutual protection act. The one thing even today that all Republicans and Democrats can agree on, that is no viable third party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes it will as these polls are all dynamic and change is inevitable. What really struck me, is that for the first time in history, more Americans call themselves independents than those who affiliate/identify themselves with both political parties. That fact alone I think is very significant.
    What does that mean to you, Pero? They'll go with whoever has the best message, depending upon circumstances at the time?

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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Having worked for Ross Perot and followed various independent candidates since. They system is rigged. Remember Republicans and Democrats write the election laws and they write them as a mutual protection act. The one thing even today that all Republicans and Democrats can agree on, that is no viable third party.
    Point to one third party that gets more than about 2 % of the vote? Without that, there is no viable third party.
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    Re: What do you make of these numbers when comparing Nov 2012 to today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    With the shutdown in progress I decided it was time to compare some stats today with the stats of November 2012 when President Obama won a second term.
    Party Affiliation
    Nov 2012 30% Republican 35% Democratic 36% Independent
    Today 22% Republican 31% Democratic 45% Independent

    President Obama Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 54% Approval 41% Disapproval
    Today 41% Approval 52% Disapproval

    Congressional Job Approval/Disapproval ratings
    Nov 2012 17% Approval 78% Disapproval
    Today 14% Approval 78% Disapproval

    The last stat thanks to Gallup is on independents since both of the major parties have shrunk while independents have gained. It is how Independents viewed President Obama

    Nov 2012 51% of independents viewed him favorably and they came through for him on Election day.
    Today only 36% of independents now view the president favorably.

    So what do all these numbers mean? I think each individual should view them and then let me know what they think. These numbers will mean different things to different people.
    I think it represents increased political polarization and disgust with political partisanship on both sides.
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