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If prostitution were legal...

If prostitution were legal... would pimps be "necessary"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • No

    Votes: 27 75.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • Total voters
    36
Hatuey said:
On this topic? I am. Bringing the government into the mix by legalizing prostitution would simply create a bigger need for cheaper prostitutes. In essence, prostitutes would become too expensive for the average joe, criminal enterprises would then begin trafficking women they can sell cheaper. What makes human trafficking attractive is the fact that you can force somebody to work for free while making a profit.
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What gives you the impression that it would be more expensive? Also, if it was, don't you think some people would pay extra for legality? Not to mention, if the legal ones would probably be tested, and less likely to unknowingly leave you a present. Overall, I think the legality, even with higher prices would cut into profits for those doing it illegally.
 
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Wallace Idaho had a legal Bordello running until 1988 that was safe for the girls and the customers alike. The Madam donated money to buy the HS football team new uniforms and various other good works around town. There was no crime associated with it and no pimps and no problems at all until the feds in their infinite wisdom decided one day in 1988 that the prostitution and gambling in the bars had to be stopped. They swept into town and started arresting bar owners and generally acting like the Gestapo so now people go to down town Spokane to deal with pimps and crack whores and get mugged in the process as often as not.

Oasis Bordello Museum, Wallace, Idaho
 
ChrisL said:
None of these countries are comparable to the United States. Sorry.
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Ah, so you mean our great American society where people would rather torrent than pay for $1.99 DVDs and $0.99 songs, and you can go into any inner city and find millions of stolen items of clothing, and sweatshops in modern day NYC, and Mexican slaves cleaning houses from Texas to California will make it undesirable for women to be trafficked? Surely you jest madam.
 
Hatuey said:
I'll make it simple for you, here's a simple example of the legal immigration of prostitutes:

1. Guy puts out an ad looking for girls who want to work as secretaries in X country.
2. Girls reply to the ad, they are provided with visa (insuring entry into the country) and all legal documentation to the enter the country.
3. Girls are then repeatedly raped, drugged and beaten.
4. They are forced to work off their debt even if they are legally living within the country.

This happens every single day to thousands of women - no amount of legalization/regulation will stop it.
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This is not "legal immigration of prostitutes" - they are not immigrants; they have no right to work there - as prostitutes or in any other quality. Their tourist or guest visas do not give them that right.

And yes, of course, there always will be some cases of kidnapping and rape. But the bulk of sex-related human trafficking exists because the business is illegal and non-transparent: prostitution itself is illegal, or working without permanent resident status is illegal, or both.
 
ChrisL said:
The war on prostitution is as useless and wasteful as the war on drugs.
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When we mobilize society to attack an enemy like we did in World War II - the last declared war we fought - then the term WAR ON _______________ will have some meaning. Until then - the phrases is both hollow and a joke. There is no war on drugs nor prostitution. At best, its a weak occasional police effort.
 
Hatuey said:
Ah, so you mean our great American society where people would rather torrent than pay for $1.99 DVDs and $0.99 songs, and you can go into any inner city and find millions of stolen items of clothing, and sweatshops in modern day NYC, and Mexican slaves cleaning houses from Texas to California will make it undesirable for women to be trafficked? Surely you jest madam.
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Look at alcohol. Illegal alcohol brewing does still occur but not nearly at the rate it would if it was illegal.
 
Cyrylek said:
This is not "legal immigration of prostitutes" - they are not immigrants; they have no right to work there - as prostitutes or in any other quality. Their tourist or guest visas do not give them that right.

And yes, of course, there always will be some cases of kidnapping and rape. But the bulk of sex-related human trafficking exists because the business is illegal and non-transparent: prostitution itself is illegal, or working without permanent resident status is illegal, or both.
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Exactly, great points.
 
sbrettt said:
What gives you the impression that it would be more expensive? Also, if it was, don't you think some people would pay extra for legality? Not to mention, if the legal ones would probably be tested, and less likely to unknowingly leave you a present. Overall, I think the legality, even with higher prices would cut into profits for those doing it illegally.
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The reason I know it won't stop is because nothing beats free. We'll simply have legal prostitutes and a lot of illegal prostitutes working under the table. Why get paid rent when you can simply put them to work for free? This is the same as with prescription med. It's there, it's just been made inaccessible and expensive, so a new black market for them exists.
 
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Cyrylek said:
This is not "legal immigration of prostitutes" - they are not immigrants; they have no right to work there - as prostitutes or in any other quality. Their tourist or guest visas do not give them that right.

And yes, of course, there always will be some cases of kidnapping and rape. But the bulk of sex-related human trafficking exists because the business is illegal and non-transparent: prostitution itself is illegal, or working without permanent resident status is illegal, or both.
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I just posted about 7-8 links that show that women are being trafficked into countries where prostitution is LEGAL such as Germany. Are you kidding me? Nearly 90% of prostitutes in Germany were Slavic women. I'll explain to you again:

1. Women legally migrating into countries under false pretenses from pimps.
2. Women legally migrating into countries where prostitution is legal.
3. Women legally migrating into countries and then being beaten to the point where they're too scared to go to the police or are bound like slaves.

Is this a concept that is too hard for you to understand?
 
Hatuey said:
The reason I know it won't stop is because nothing beats free. We'll simply have legal prostitutes and a lot of illegal prostitutes working under the table. Why get paid rent when you can simply put them to work for free?
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I don't think anyone was contending that it would completely stop, just that legality would cut into black market profits. However if someone was saying a legal alternative would completely end the illegal method then they are of course, mistaken.
 
Medusa said:
in what respect ,chris ?
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Their laws, their economic status, their ability to enforce regulations, among others that I can't even think of but I'm sure exist. Every country is really kind of unique in their own ways.
 
Hatuey said:
The reason I know it won't stop is because nothing beats free. We'll simply have legal prostitutes and a lot of illegal prostitutes working under the table.
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Like we have legal programmers, dentists, truck drivers and brewers - and a lot of illegal ones?
 
Hatuey said:
I just posted about 7-8 links that show that women are being trafficked into countries where prostitution is LEGAL such as Germany. Are you kidding me? Nearly 90% of prostitutes in Germany were Slavic women. I'll explain to you again:

1. Women legally migrating into countries under false pretenses from pimps.
2. Women legally migrating into countries where prostitution is legal.
3. Women legally migrating into countries and then being beaten to the point where they're too scared to go to the police or are bound like slaves.

Is this a concept that is too hard for you to understand?
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maybe they need to live in such countries to understand
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Wallace Idaho had a legal Bordello running until 1988 that was safe for the girls and the customers alike. The Madam donated money to buy the HS football team new uniforms and various other good works around town. There was no crime associated with it and no pimps and no problems at all until the feds in their infinite wisdom decided one day in 1988 that the prostitution and gambling in the bars had to be stopped. They swept into town and started arresting bar owners and generally acting like the Gestapo so now people go to down town Spokane to deal with pimps and crack whores and get mugged in the process as often as not.

Oasis Bordello Museum, Wallace, Idaho
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1988?!?!?!?! I wonder who was in charge of the administration of the federal government at that time? :roll:;)
 
Hatuey said:
Is this a concept that is too hard for you to understand?
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It is very hard to understand how you don't understand the difference between: (1) legally crossing a border and (2) having a status of legal immigrant.

You have to have the status - an equivalent of the American green card - to be able to work there. Someone with a tourist visa is not a legal immigrant. She is not any kind of immigrant at all, she is ......- you guessed it: a tourist.
 
sbrettt said:
I don't think anyone was contending that it would completely stop, just that legality would cut into black market profits.
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Not by much as shown by the fact that women are still being trafficked in large numbers to countries where prostitution is legal. The fact that legalization in countries like Germany has not made it profitable to simply hire legal working German girls is all the proof I need to know that it won't make a dent.
 
The bottom line, which none of you can argue against, is that prostitution occurs whether it is legal or illegal, and that making it legal and regulating it makes it safer for all involved.
 
ChrisL said:
The bottom line, which none of you can argue against, is that prostitution occurs whether it is legal or illegal, and that making it legal and regulating it makes it safer for all involved.
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Yes, that is the bottom line. There's simply no upside in keeping prostitution banned, except to satisfy our hypocrisy.
 
jamesrage said:
I say no.But just like plumbing, electrician, technicians,janitorial and other trades there will be people who work for the themselves and there will be companies that hire groups of these people or there will be temp agencies to 'help' you find work or contract your services out.
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exactly.


the stereotypical definition of pimp/madam would not exists but yes companies/orgs that have a hierarchy of service would exists and then of course youd have private contractors.

pimps typical muscle the territory and dont allow private contractors and they also offer "some" protection.

making it legal would get rid of that and in general it would become safer for both parties
 
Hatuey said:
Not by much as shown by the fact that women are still being trafficked in large numbers to countries where prostitution is legal. The fact that legalization in countries like Germany has not made it profitable to simply hire legal working German girls is all the proof I need to know that it won't make a dent.
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To the bolded parts, which is it? I think you contradicted yourself.
Hatuey said:
The fact that legalization in countries like Germany has not made it profitable to simply hire legal working German girls is all the proof I need to know that
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Sorry if I'm missing something, but this doesn't make any sense. Do you mean profitable for the customer, or profitable for the "pimp"? Also, who says we have to have the same system as Germany? I don't know much about normal prices, but I would think we could get the legal alternative to complete on a level where most people would pay extra for legality, and less risk. (STDS)
 
ChrisL said:
I would say no. I think it would be cleaner and safer, also it would cut down on a lot of the illegal activities associated with it if it was legalized and I'm all for the legalization of prostitution. Let's face, it's not going to just stop. It's the world's oldest profession. :lol:
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The first records of prostitutes are slave auctions.

Some "profession".
 
Cyrylek said:
It is very hard to understand how you don't understand the difference between: (1) legally crossing a border and (2) having a status of legal immigrant.

You have to have the status - an equivalent of the American green card - to be able to work there. Someone with a tourist visa is not a legal immigrant. She is not any kind of immigrant at all, she is ......- you guessed it: a tourist.
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Your lack of understanding is getting tedious.

1. Women from EU countries don't need work visas/green cards/work permits of any sort to work in Germany as prostitutes.
2. The overwhelming majority of women trafficked are from EU countries.
3. 25% of the women trafficked were Poland/Czech Republic:
a) both of which are countries that have legalized prostitution
b) both of which have women who don't require visas/work permits to work as prostitutes in Germany.

You're starting to look REALLY ignorant.
 
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