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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Legalization and regulation would prevent a lot of women being forced into the business.
    If we legalize and regulate rape it will prevent a lot of women from being raped. Pimping is about making a profit by forcing others to work. Factories and warehouses are not illegal and get regulated. Yet every year we find MILLIONS of people being forced to work in factories and warehouses. Again, legalization of prostitution will not create a "clean" market for it - it will simply make the already existing black market a more viable alternative. No amount of rebates and tax breaks will make forcing somebody to work for free less enticing. Ask slave owners.
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If we legalize and regulate rape it will prevent a lot of women from being raped.
    Go troll somewhere else. I'm trying to have a serious discussion here.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Go troll somewhere else. I'm trying to have a serious discussion here.
    If you were trying to have a serious discussion you would study up on the subject. Tens of thousands of Slavic women are still trafficked every year. All throughout European countries where prostitution has been decriminalized. So legalization of prostitution has simply made it easier for them to be put to work.
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Necessary - no. But some "managers" and "marketing agents" will be still doing business. And so will bodyguards and drivers, of course.
    The main difference: it will be all in daylight and regulated. Human trafficking and coercion will be gone or diminished greatly.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you were trying to have a serious discussion you would study up on the subject. Tens of thousands of Slavic women are still trafficked throughout European countries where prostitution has been decriminalized. So legalization of prostitution has simply made it easier for them to be put to work.
    That's because they are probably lax on their regulations.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you were trying to have a serious discussion you would study up on the subject. Tens of thousands of Slavic women are still trafficked every year. All throughout European countries where prostitution has been decriminalized. So legalization of prostitution has simply made it easier for them to be put to work.
    Pardon me, but their servitude is derived from their illegal status - as illegal immigrants, not from their work as prostitutes. That's where the power of traffickers over them is coming from. If they could immigrate legally, the criminal enterprise would collapse.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's because they are probably lax on their regulations.
    What a simple minded solution to such a huge problem. I pointed out the fact that legalization will not stop the use of force - because it is the threat of force which makes the business profitable in the first place - and your solution is "stronger regulation!" - Well - we'll go right back to square one where people will simply create an unregulated black market. It's the same thing which happens with behind the counter medicine. Regulate it until it's inaccessible and unprofitable for all but a select few and people will simply find a way to sell it illegally and make a profit anyways.
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If prostitution were legal... would pimps be "necessary"?

    Please note that "necessary" is in quotes.
    there will be lots of pimps even if it is legal
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What a simple minded solution to such a huge problem. I pointed out the fact that legalization will not stop the use of force - because it is the threat of force which makes the business profitable in the first place - and your solution is "stronger regulation!" - Well - we'll go right back to square one where people will simply create an unregulated black market. It's the same thing which happens with behind the counter medicine. Regulate it until it's inaccessible and unprofitable for all but a select few and people will simply find a way to sell it illegally and make a profit anyways.
    Certainly if prostitution is legalized there would be many benefits to visiting legal prostitutes as opposed to illegal ones which would tend to put a dent in the black market. It works the same way with legalizing drugs.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Pardon me, but their servitude is derived from their illegal status - as illegal immigrants, not from their work as prostitutes. That's where the power of traffickers over them is coming from. If they could immigrate legally, the criminal enterprise would collapse.
    I'll pardon your ignorance on this subject all you want. Trafficking women is done by legally moving them through countries:

    The 'Natasha' Trade: The Transnational Shadow Market of Trafficking in Women

    Some traffickers use the woman’s legal documents and tourist visas to legally enter the destination countries. The women may be put on a circuit by pimps in which they are moved from country to country on legal tourist visas or entertainers’ visas. Other times, the woman is given false documents. In this case, the woman is even more vulnerable after she arrives in the destination country because she is there illegally. If police discover her, she is arrested and deported.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/26/in...anted=all&_r=0

    "Women are recruited at home with the promise of employment," Mr. Freedman said. "But once they are across the border their passports are taken away and they are beaten and raped and forced into prostitution." The women are typically kept locked in an apartment except when they are taken out to customers.
    BBC News - Trafficking: The ordeal of a Moscow 'shop slave'

    "When I arrived on the very first day they took away my passport," she said.

    "Then I noticed the owner beating one of the girls, very badly. She pulled her hair and she kicked her really hard. That was when I realised that I was in a wrong place."
    These women are entered legally into the countries and then beaten into submission. The days of sneaking them in on boats is long gone. They have passports, visas and all necessary documents to enter the countries.
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