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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    De facto being the key word. De jure it is very much illegal, in both countries
    And is not enforced - in Thailand it is even regulated. It is "illegal" in the sense that any sex outside of the missionary position is technically illegal in several states.

    In the Philippines, involvement in human trafficking carries penalty up to life in prison. And - ?
    And yet human trafficking remains part of their open prostitution market. Ditto for Thailand.

    Legalization brings in the legal framework, transparency, and enforceable regulation. Sweeping things under the carpet and pretending they don't exist gives you what they have in Thailand and the Philippines - or worse.
    Legalization brings all that in for the portions of the business whose prices support it. Sure, 'escort services' will do well. But the resultant explosion in the industry will likely bring with it a portional decrease and real increase in the amount of human trafficking done for sex-trade purposes, because distinguishing between "legal" and "illegal" prostitution activities will become incredibly difficult for law-enforcement.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    But the resultant explosion in the industry will likely bring with it a portional decrease and real increase in the amount of human trafficking done for sex-trade purposes, because distinguishing between "legal" and "illegal" prostitution activities will become incredibly difficult for law-enforcement.
    What are you basing this prediction on? Did the "explosion in the industry" after the Prohibition was repealed cause "real increase" in bootlegging and making of toxic moonshine?

    Is it incredibly difficult to distinguish between an operator who has a license and one who doesn't, in any other business? Why prostitution should be different?

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    What are you basing this prediction on? Did the "explosion in the industry" after the Prohibition was repealed cause "real increase" in bootlegging and making of toxic moonshine?

    Is it incredibly difficult to distinguish between an operator who has a license and one who doesn't, in any other business? Why prostitution should be different?
    I really don't think they are objecting on a practical basis but rather on a moral one, IMO.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I really don't think they are objecting on a practical basis but rather on a moral one, IMO.
    Just as a point out of context: what's wrong with objecting on moral grounds?

    Isn't it wise to consider the exact moral in question, like a moral against slavory?

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just as a point out of context: what's wrong with objecting on moral grounds?

    Isn't it wise to consider the exact moral in question, like a moral against slavory?
    Nothing, but if you object to it on moral grounds, then say so instead of trying to pull stuff out of your butt.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    What are you basing this prediction on? Did the "explosion in the industry" after the Prohibition was repealed cause "real increase" in bootlegging and making of toxic moonshine?

    Is it incredibly difficult to distinguish between an operator who has a license and one who doesn't, in any other business? Why prostitution should be different?
    I can see it now: the Federal Buro of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Prostitution.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    What are you basing this prediction on? Did the "explosion in the industry" after the Prohibition was repealed cause "real increase" in bootlegging and making of toxic moonshine?
    Hm. Well, I would say that a direct comparison between alcohol and prohibition isn't going to get us much, not least because the former is and was far more ubiquitous than prostitution, including during prohibition. That being said, yes, after we lifted prohibition, we did indeed see a rapid expansion of the industry, which included (as I described) a relative decrease and a raw increase in unlicensed manufacture.

    Is it incredibly difficult to distinguish between an operator who has a license and one who doesn't, in any other business? Why prostitution should be different?
    Well, you tell me. Would you say that we do or do not currently have a large populace of illegal workers in this country?

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I really don't think they are objecting on a practical basis but rather on a moral one, IMO.
    Perhaps. I don't consider selling sex per se immoral, maybe that's why it is so hard for me to understand how people can prefer status quo, with all the obvious harm it does.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That being said, yes, after we lifted prohibition, we did indeed see a rapid expansion of the industry, which included (as I described) a relative decrease and a raw increase in unlicensed manufacture.
    Could you give me references, regarding the raw increase in unlicensed manufacture? My impression is that unlicensed manufacturing pretty much had collapsed after Prohibition was over.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Would you say that we do or do not currently have a large populace of illegal workers in this country?
    We have a large populace of workers nobody bothers to monitor or persecute, except for the NICE. Local authorities, meanwhile, are very interested
    in keeping legal businesses all properly licensed and monitored. For the obvious reason: that's where taxes are coming from, and overall health of communities.

    Not to mention that chasing "illegal immigrants" is a morally dubious activity, while going after perpetrators of forced prostitution is about as righteous as it gets.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Perhaps. I don't consider selling sex per se immoral, maybe that's why it is so hard for me to understand how people can prefer status quo, with all the obvious harm it does.
    Considering the fact that their arguments against legalization really don't make much sense, I would say it's based upon moral grounds. Personally, I think it's a pretty sad life and way to make a living, but not a choice for me to make for someone else.

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