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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The EU is not America. I couldn't care less about the EU. I think legalization here in America would certainly make things safer in a variety of ways for all parties involved.

    Legalization and regulation would make it easier to track and control who is and who is not prostituting themselves with special licensing requirements, etc. How you think that would have the opposite effect, I don't know but I can't make sense of where you're coming from at all.
    Special licensing requirements? Again, you're under the silly belief that human traffickers will simply go through the trouble of becoming licensed pimps when they can force somebody to work for free. What? You think our system will start giving out free/cheap licenses for whorehouses? Free/cheap licenses to become prostitutes? If a person can't get a gun without a background check and service costs, you think the government make it cheap and easy to become a prostitute? Hahahaha. May I offer you some seaside property in Missouri?
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    I have no clue where you got that impression? I don't think condoms are really all that effective at stopping AIDS. The real I'm thinking it would be safer is if it's regulating you could have mandatory testing for legal prostitutes, or have a documents proving they got testing so people know who has.
    You and ChrisL seem to have the same problem. You think people who traffic other human beings will start giving a **** about the government laws and play by the rules when they can simply put somebody to work as slave.
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just like how gun control was supposed to cut down on crime, right?

    The most common type of prostitute is the street walker. You can't regulate the street walker because there are simply to many to audit. If one contracts an std disqualifying her from licensure, there is nothing stopping her from selling anyway. There are simply to many street walkers for a 3rd party (cops) to audit.
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You and ChrisL seem to have the same problem. You think people who traffic other human beings will start giving a **** about the government laws and play by the rules when they can simply put somebody to work as slave.
    You seem to have a problem with comprehension. What I'm actually saying is those who choose to do it legally would cut into the profits of people doing it illegal. On top of that, it would provide a legal, safe alternative.
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your lack of understanding is getting tedious.

    1. Women from EU countries don't need work visas/green cards/work permits of any sort to work in Germany as prostitutes.
    2. The overwhelming majority of women trafficked are from EU countries.
    3. 25% of the women trafficked were Poland/Czech Republic:
    a) both of which are countries that have legalized prostitution
    b) both of which have women who don't require visas/work permits to work as prostitutes in Germany.

    You're starting to look REALLY ignorant.
    What makes you think that "overwhelming majority" are from the EU countries? Oh, this quote from the first link you have provided, perhaps?

    "A criminal investigation in Germany in 1998 found that 87.5 percent of the women trafficked into Germany were from Eastern Europe. Seventeen percent were from Poland, 14 percent from Ukraine, 12 percent from Czech Republic and 8 percent from the Russian Federation"

    Well, in 1998 neither Poland nor Czech Republic were EU countries. Both joined in 2004.

    Further, if you look at the data, what you see is that up to 80% of prostitutes in Germany are non-German; Bulgaria and Romania (recent EU new members), indeed, providing most. But does it mean that all or majority of them had been forcibly "trafficked"? Especially if comparisons are made with women from Ukraine, Belarus or Russia?

    Even the tendentious article in Der Spiegel freely admits that "Statistically speaking, Germany has almost no problem with prostitution and human trafficking. According to the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), there were 636 reported cases of "human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation" in 2011, or almost a third less than 10 years earlier. Thirteen of the victims were under 14, and another 77 were under 18"
    (Human Trafficking Persists Despite Legality of Prostitution in Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE)

    636 is a tiny number for a country so huge, and the trend is downward. Gee, may that decrease in trafficking be, indeed due to a combination of prostitution being fully legal (since 2002, "coincidentally") AND freer labor movement, as EU is expanding?

    You always can find a bunch of disturbing anecdotes, and always can claim that a lot of trafficking is going unreported. But a drop by a third over ten years in what is found/reported - surely it correlates somehow with the underlying actual situation?
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Sales and protection. In addition, if prostitution were legal it would have to be regulated and taxed. This would give rise to brothels, licensing, health checks and the rest. In a manner of speaking the brothel operators would be pimps.
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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You and ChrisL seem to have the same problem. You think people who traffic other human beings will start giving a **** about the government laws and play by the rules when they can simply put somebody to work as slave.
    Legalization most certainly provides more avenues for such people to pursue. Leaving it as an illegal industry certainly isn't helping the problem, quite OBVIOUSLY.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If prostitution were legal... would pimps be "necessary"?

    Please note that "necessary" is in quotes.
    Yes, due simply to price pressure. Middle class college girls aren't going to line up to get thrusted by dirty, sweaty, overweight truckers for $15 a pop, so that task will fall to the same demographic that all low-paid, low-skill, dangerous labor falls to; our illegal immigrant populace. Except those girls typically aren't too thrilled about it either, meaning that that portion of the industry will be dominated by another facet of illegal immigrant labor - coercion. For coercion, you need pimps.

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    What makes you think that "overwhelming majority" are from the EU countries? Oh, this quote from the first link you have provided, perhaps?

    "A criminal investigation in Germany in 1998 found that 87.5 percent of the women trafficked into Germany were from Eastern Europe. Seventeen percent were from Poland, 14 percent from Ukraine, 12 percent from Czech Republic and 8 percent from the Russian Federation"

    Well, in 1998 neither Poland nor Czech Republic were EU countries. Both joined in 2004.

    Further, if you look at the data, what you see is that up to 80% of prostitutes in Germany are non-German; Bulgaria and Romania (recent EU new members), indeed, providing most. But does it mean that all or majority of them had been forcibly "trafficked"? Especially if comparisons are made with women from Ukraine, Belarus or Russia?

    Even the tendentious article in Der Spiegel freely admits that "Statistically speaking, Germany has almost no problem with prostitution and human trafficking. According to the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), there were 636 reported cases of "human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation" in 2011, or almost a third less than 10 years earlier. Thirteen of the victims were under 14, and another 77 were under 18"
    (Human Trafficking Persists Despite Legality of Prostitution in Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE)

    636 is a tiny number for a country so huge, and the trend is downward. Gee, may that decrease in trafficking be, indeed due to a combination of prostitution being fully legal (since 2002, "coincidentally") AND freer labor movement, as EU is expanding?

    You always can find a bunch of disturbing anecdotes, and always can claim that a lot of trafficking is going unreported. But a drop by a third over ten years in what is found/reported - surely it correlates somehow with the underlying actual situation?
    Prostitution is de facto legal in the Philippines and Thailand. Shall we talk about human trafficking there?

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    Re: If prostitution were legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Prostitution is de facto legal in the Philippines and Thailand. Shall we talk about human trafficking there?
    De facto being the key word. De jure it is very much illegal, in both countries. In the Philippines, involvement in human trafficking carries penalty up to life in prison. And - ?

    Legalization brings in the legal framework, transparency, and enforceable regulation. Sweeping things under the carpet and pretending they don't exist gives you what they have in Thailand and the Philippines - or worse.

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