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Does Piecemeal Funding Reveal the Republicans to be Hypocrites?

Does Piecemeal Funding Reveal the Republicans to be Hypocrites?


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Tell you what, I'm thinking you're probably not the best judge of sound policy, so while I appreciate your opinion, it's worth what I paid for it.

Like I said....just keep doin what you're doing.....don't ever change.
 
The only people holding the country hostage are the Democrats and the Democrat leadership in the Senate. I suppose one would have to add to a minor extent the amatuers in the White House.

The action of the House of Representatives is precisely within the powers outlined in the Constitution. The Senate, and the White House have full responsibility for the budget crisis. It doesn't matter what the uninformed think.

Too bad 75% of the country disagree with your spin. Keep tryin though....keep tryin!!!
 
Sure thing. Again, it doesn't matter. Facts are facts.
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More like "spin is spin". The only ones responsible for the Government shut down are the Repubs. America gets it....despite the spin. The whole thing would be over if Boner would put the budget to an up/down vote. period. Fact is fact. Instead, Boner is so afraid of the teabaggers that he continues to lead the GOP in the game playing and political grandstanding. Fact is fact. Its sad and fun at the same time to watch the republican party self destruct.
 
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More like "spin is spin". The only ones responsible for the Government shut down are the Repubs. America gets it....despite the spin. The whole thing would be over if Boner would put the budget to an up/down vote. period. Fact is fact. Instead, Boner is so afraid of the teabaggers that he continues to lead the GOP in the game playing and political grandstanding. Fact is fact. Its sad and fun at the same time to watch the republican party self destruct.

Please post any evidence that the U.S. House of Representatives is proceeding in a manner that is not specifically granted by the United States Constitution.

Again, your opinion is noted, but this issue is based on facts, which seem to be in short supply.
 
Please post any evidence that the U.S. House of Representatives is proceeding in a manner that is not specifically granted by the United States Constitution.

Again, your opinion is noted, but this issue is based on facts, which seem to be in short supply.

At least we get to see how our legislators voted on every single bill! Maybe that's why Reid is being so vocal on this? :naughty:

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/u...nservatives-find-favor-for-government.html?hp

With all the rifts opening in the GOP, the one tenet the party stood united for was that the federal government was too big and spent too much money. Surely such a bloated monstrosity such as this could go without a few days of spending, so the House Republicans had no problem shutting down the government by refusing to pass a clean CR.

Fox News even took to calling the shutdown a "slimdown." It's like a diet for the government! Isn't that cute?

Now, however, after receiving near universal condemnation and blame for the situation, the House Republicans attempted to pass a series of piecemeal funding approvals for various popular, very visible programs.

The party that pushed the last debt ceiling crisis that resulted in the Sequester that cut funding to nutrition programs for women and children, cancer research, national parks, the entire District of Columbia, and the VA, now wants to fully fund these and other programs and is calling the Democrats cruel for refusing to reinstate these vital government services.

And now, faced with the negative press of having withheld paychecks from more than a million government workers, the House unanimously passed a bill to give full back pay to all furloughed employees.

To wit: the party that HATES excessive government spending now cares deeply about the continuation of the good work our government does.

The party that RAILS AGAINST WELFARE QUEENS will now pay more than a million people to not go to work and go home and watch TV.

The one "plus" of a government shutdown, saving the government billions of dollars in wages, is now replaced by the country's largest temporary expansion of welfare.

All in protest of a government program that pays for itself and shrinks the deficit.

Has the party of "fiscal responsibility" completely revealed its underlying hypocrisy, unable to stomach the actual results of their most ardent beliefs?

You do realize that the Sequester was the work of the Democrats right?
 
We have no budget. We have been working on stop-gap legislation throughout the Obama Presidency.

And we all know why that is. The House is responsible for the budget. They have been "shut down" for months already. No Congress has been more derelict of their duties than the current Republican House caucus. I was only a matter of time before the entire Govt. shut down because of their laziness.
 
And we all know why that is. The House is responsible for the budget. They have been "shut down" for months already. No Congress has been more derelict of their duties than the current Republican House caucus. I was only a matter of time before the entire Govt. shut down because of their laziness.
Please read: Federal Budget Process
 
At least we get to see how our legislators voted on every single bill! Maybe that's why Reid is being so vocal on this? :naughty:

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

Greetings Polgara :2wave:

I'm of the opinion the grand "we", as in all of us, should be paying close attention to what is being done by all. Reid has already had to appologize for his over the top rhetoric, and there will need to be some explaining for the punative political circus being commanded by the White House to make citizens "feel the pain".

The reasons for the House of Representatives being the starting point for Federal Spending was known to our Founding Fathers, but apparently is missing in many people today.

It seems to me there are quite a few people who need to revisit elementary school for a refresher on the basics of the Federal Government.
 
Please post any evidence that the U.S. House of Representatives is proceeding in a manner that is not specifically granted by the United States Constitution.

Again, your opinion is noted, but this issue is based on facts, which seem to be in short supply.

You need to go back and re-read some other the older emails. I've clearly said that there is a difference between "Can" and "Should". I've never said that the tantrums and the extortionist methods that the teabaggers are using is Unconstitutional. It IS however, childish, immature and silly. And thankfully....75% of the American public are seeing the GOP is their "finest form". Afterall....take Boner's own words at their face value: "This is how the party of No governs".
 
You need to go back and re-read some other the older emails. I've clearly said that there is a difference between "Can" and "Should". I've never said that the tantrums and the extortionist methods that the teabaggers are using is Unconstitutional. It IS however, childish, immature and silly. And thankfully....75% of the American public are seeing the GOP is their "finest form". Afterall....take Boner's own words at their face value: "This is how the party of No governs".

I suppose I should suggest that you go back and re-read my responses. I've only thanked you for your opinion, and I have added the fact they are perfectly within the Constitutional charter to present bills as they see fit.

It is not for the Senate to reject them because they don't like what the House sends over. It doesn't work like that, and the sooner the Democrats realize it, the better the country will be. As it is, despite the rhetoric, the Democrat controlled Senate, and to a lessor degree the White House, or holding the country hostage. I suppose it would be appropriate to borrow the President's words and state Democrats are holding a gun to the head of citizens, with little regard for their well being, or the well being of others so affected.

The Founding Fathers understood this, why such a struggle to face facts?
 
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More like "spin is spin". The only ones responsible for the Government shut down are the Repubs. America gets it....despite the spin.

Watching you complain about "spin" when you are spinning like a top is hilarious. You've been directly shown that the majority of AMericans blame BOTH SIDES for the Shutdown, not just the Republicans...but you just keep on spinning while chastising others for doing it like every other die-hard propagandist. Which people should really be thankful for, since people like you and others who put forth these type of idiotic, ignorant, dishonest, transparent spinning arguments are basically just waiving a large flag that says "I SAY STUPID ****, IGNORE EVERYTHING I SAY. I JUST MINDLESSLY RESPOUT MY PARTIES TALKING POINTS!" It makes it easier to know whose words to simply look and laugh at rather than actual take as some kind of serious, honest, intellectually sincere salient point.
 

There were already negotiations on the CR and the House Republicans got all the amounts they wanted on it. Now they want something else in addition to and unrelated to the CR and it is unacceptable. Where does it say that Govt. can be shut down for demands not related to the budget?
 
There were already negotiations on the CR and the House Republicans got all the amounts they wanted on it. Now they want something else in addition to and unrelated to the CR and it is unacceptable. Where does it say that Govt. can be shut down for demands not related to the budget?

I'm thinking that when it comes to the CR, if the House Republicans got all the amounts they wanted on it, we wouldn't be in the place we are now.

With that in mind, it might be that you are mistaken about a few things.
 
I'm thinking that when it comes to the CR, if the House Republicans got all the amounts they wanted on it, we wouldn't be in the place we are now.

With that in mind, it might be that you are mistaken about a few things.

You would think the T's would have been happy to get what is virtually the Ryan budget even though he lost the election on it, but NO. They wanted more. Extortionists are never happy it appears. A bill with spending levels of Paul Ryan is sitting on Boners desk right now.

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There were already negotiations on the CR and the House Republicans got all the amounts they wanted on it. Now they want something else in addition to and unrelated to the CR and it is unacceptable. Where does it say that Govt. can be shut down for demands not related to the budget?
The first step outlined in the source I gave you describes the president's submission of a budget. Have you seen one? I haven't. In fact, nobody has seen that because it doesn't exist. With that in mind, we are left to constitutionally described powers and actions, and nothing I have seen would indicate that the House has violated any of them. Over 80% of the government is functioning, so it's hardly "shut down".
 
The first step outlined in the source I gave you describes the president's submission of a budget. Have you seen one? I haven't. In fact, nobody has seen that because it doesn't exist. With that in mind, we are left to constitutionally described powers and actions, and nothing I have seen would indicate that the House has violated any of them. Over 80% of the government is functioning, so it's hardly "shut down".

The Senate passed a budget in March and Boner refused to negotiate it. The House has violated the trust of the American people and it is up to voters to enforce that trust. I am optimistic that they will.
 
The Senate passed a budget in March and Boner refused to negotiate it. The House has violated the trust of the American people and it is up to voters to enforce that trust. I am optimistic that they will.
Boner? Who is Boner? I think you have a basic misunderstanding of the actual budget process, and exactly what has led to the constant crisis mode we find ourselves facing as a country year after year after year since Obama has assumed office. You really should look into that. I'm no big fan of the GOP, but the blame for this situation rests squarely with Obama and the left. I'm equally optimistic that the public at large will have had a belly full of Obama's horse crap soon enough, and the people that have propped him up as well.
 
You would think the T's would have been happy to get what is virtually the Ryan budget even though he lost the election on it, but NO. They wanted more. Extortionists are never happy it appears. A bill with spending levels of Paul Ryan is sitting on Boners desk right now.

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Interesting. Republicans acting within the powers the Constitution requires them to uphold is called extortion, but Democrats demanding the House ignore the Constitution is not called extortion.

I'm sorry, but I fail to follow the logic of your argument.
 
I'm thinking that when it comes to the CR, if the House Republicans got all the amounts they wanted on it, we wouldn't be in the place we are now.

With that in mind, it might be that you are mistaken about a few things.

The CRs that the Senate sent back to the House did in fact have the spending levels the GOP wanted -- that way, the Senate Democrats could portray the House GOP as voting against their own proposed spending levels and take some of the focus from the ACA.

The House did the same thing by sending CRs with spending levels the Democrats wanted.
 
You do realize that the Sequester was the work of the Democrats right?

Yes that's true. That was what the Democrats had to sacrifice upon the altar during the last debt ceiling crisis in 2011 when Republicans were demanding concessions or we would default. It was also stupidly assumed that it would not go into effect because Dems and Repubs would have time and incentive to hash out a real compromise, but apparently the Dems weren't offering enough.

And here we are again. The only difference is that Obama realizes there's no compromising with bullies and so he's standing strong.
 
Boner? Who is Boner? I think you have a basic misunderstanding of the actual budget process, and exactly what has led to the constant crisis mode we find ourselves facing as a country year after year after year since Obama has assumed office. You really should look into that. I'm no big fan of the GOP, but the blame for this situation rests squarely with Obama and the left. I'm equally optimistic that the public at large will have had a belly full of Obama's horse crap soon enough, and the people that have propped him up as well.

LOL I just told you that the Dems had agreed to the Ryan budget numbers in the CR, they hated that because they were much too low but they agreed to sign on to avoid this circus from hurting our economy. But NO, that was not enough for the greedy 18% minority. They had to repeal a valid law too. No sane person will blame the Dems fro resisting such blackmail. It makes a mockery of our democracy and it main tenet.. Majority rule.
This stunt will cost the Republicans the House for sure, there are already 24 Reps. who's seats are in danger and this is just beginning.
 
LOL I just told you that the Dems had agreed to the Ryan budget numbers in the CR, they hated that because they were much too low but they agreed to sign on to avoid this circus from hurting our economy. But NO, that was not enough for the greedy 18% minority. They had to repeal a valid law too. No sane person will blame the Dems fro resisting such blackmail. It makes a mockery of our democracy and it main tenet.. Majority rule.
This stunt will cost the Republicans the House for sure, there are already 24 Reps. who's seats are in danger and this is just beginning.
I understand what you said. My understanding is somewhat different. I don't know who this business will help or hurt in the end, but I feel pretty safe in saying that the general populace always seems to be the loser not matter how it's spun. Laws come and go by a number of means. Nothing the House has done is illegal, unconstitutional, or unethical. You and Obama are just having a little temper tantrum that you haven't gotten your way. Now it's give me what I want, and then we'll negotiate. Lol. Nobody smarter than a single celled organism or Nancy Pelosi is dumb enough to believe that.
 
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