View Poll Results: When will the government shutdown end?

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  • October 3rd - October 6th

    4 6.56%
  • October 7th - October 10th

    9 14.75%
  • October 11th - October 14

    14 22.95%
  • October 15 - October 18

    18 29.51%
  • October 19 - October 22

    1 1.64%
  • October 23 - October 26

    0 0%
  • October 27 - October 30

    1 1.64%
  • October 31 - November 3

    3 4.92%
  • November 4 - November 7

    0 0%
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Thread: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Well, I just saw ANOTHER clip on the news of Boner begging Obama to come to talk with him. Why won't he talk?

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
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    They wouldn't dare not raise the debt ceiling. ... Hopefully we can avoid another credit downgrade during this mess.
    I hope you are correct. If congress fails to raise the debt ceiling I fear we will be in for a deep recession and if people think the last one was bad...well I fear one caused by failing to raise the debt ceiling will be even worse.
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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I just saw ANOTHER clip on the news of Boner begging Obama to come to talk with him. Why won't he talk?
    Boehner may be right in his principles, but he sure is sending mixed messages. He is either going to have to get specific publicly, or he's probably not going to receive a meaningful response. It's on him to tell the president and the public specifically what he wants to discuss. He hasn't done that, to my knowledge, but he has changed his offers rather frequently. Not good tactics.

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Boehner may be right in his principles, but he sure is sending mixed messages. He is either going to have to get specific publicly, or he's probably not going to receive a meaningful response. It's on him to tell the president and the public specifically what he wants to discuss. He hasn't done that, to my knowledge, but he has changed his offers rather frequently. Not good tactics.
    I think Boner has to tell Obama that the Teabaggers are doing a Blazing Saddles remake and holding a gun to their own head and he thinks they are bat**** crazy enough to pull the trigger. I'm still putting my bet on Oct. 16th, but only because I think there are no bullets in the gun. "Hope springs eternal"

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think Boner has to tell Obama that the Teabaggers are doing a Blazing Saddles remake and holding a gun to their own head and he thinks they are bat**** crazy enough to pull the trigger. I'm still putting my bet on Oct. 16th, but only because I think there are no bullets in the gun. "Hope springs eternal"
    I thought almost exactly the opposite, and Obama was the one holding the gun. Either way, it's becoming a real circus on both sides on the aisle, and the media absolutely loves it. I think they'll come up with a short term solution, and buy themselves time to carve out new positions and possibly even talk to each other on issues of substance. These positions both sides are taking look a lot like a game of musical chairs. Someone needs to bring in a few new chairs just to mix things up a bit. As you say, hope does spring eternal. We need to cut spending and Boehner needs to be specific about that which he proposes to cut. Obama needs to quit the political posturing and address those specific items. Right this minute I think the onus is on Boehner to publicly provide specific items for discussion.

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Boehner may be right in his principles, but he sure is sending mixed messages. He is either going to have to get specific publicly, or he's probably not going to receive a meaningful response. It's on him to tell the president and the public specifically what he wants to discuss. He hasn't done that, to my knowledge, but he has changed his offers rather frequently. Not good tactics.
    I understand, and I'm certainly not saying one party is more accountable than the other for this fiasco. Both are equally responsible. I just think the president should be the one to set examples for the rest of the "children." He seems to be joining in on the childish behavior instead though. I just remember him saying that he was going to be the president to bring the opposition together and get things done. It's terribly disappointing.

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I understand, and I'm certainly not saying one party is more accountable than the other for this fiasco. Both are equally responsible. I just think the president should be the one to set examples for the rest of the "children." He seems to be joining in on the childish behavior instead though. I just remember him saying that he was going to be the president to bring the opposition together and get things done. It's terribly disappointing.
    I'd support Boehner if I thought he and his party had clearly focused their tactics and objectives. We need to get spending under control. I have become resigned to the tactics Obama employs, and if I have reached such a conclusion, how much sooner should Boehner and his collegues have reached that same conclusion? It bothers me that they haven't reached a consensus among themselves that outlines specific actions they should be willing to publicly state. I believe they should now look to a short term solution for both the shutdown and the debt ceiling, and give themselves some room to address entitlement spending in an open discussion. Obama is unwilling to supplant political gain for the public interest. Boehner should be a little bigger than that. We need it.

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'd support Boehner if I thought he and his party had clearly focused their tactics and objectives. We need to get spending under control. I have become resigned to the tactics Obama employs, and if I have reached such a conclusion, how much sooner should Boehner and his collegues have reached that same conclusion? It bothers me that they haven't reached a consensus among themselves that outlines specific actions they should be willing to publicly state. I believe they should now look to a short term solution for both the shutdown and the debt ceiling, and give themselves some room to address entitlement spending in an open discussion. Obama is unwilling to supplant political gain for the public interest. Boehner should be a little bigger than that. We need it.
    It certainly does seem as if we are lacking adult supervision in Congress.

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I hope you are correct. If congress fails to raise the debt ceiling I fear we will be in for a deep recession and if people think the last one was bad...well I fear one caused by failing to raise the debt ceiling will be even worse.
    I'm not sure it would be as immediate and deep as the last one, but it would be more of a long term thing and the effects would hit us one after the other over time. So I guess I think it would be deeper long term. Certainly we would get hit in stocks/dollar valuation immediately. No doubt those would recover over time, but the long term economic effects would press on our necks for a much longer time.

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    Re: Shutdown Pool - When does it reopen?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I just saw ANOTHER clip on the news of Boner begging Obama to come to talk with him. Why won't he talk?
    Because negotiating every time the normal functioning of the government is on the line will lead to a catastrophic failure of government somewhere down the line. This is ridiculous. I'm sick of the slavish devotion to equivalency that we seem to have. Not every position is equal and not everything is worth negotiating on. For once the President is completely in the right.

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