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Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

Who is at fault for the shutdown?

  • Republicans

    Votes: 87 45.3%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 32 16.7%

  • Both

    Votes: 65 33.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 8 4.2%
  • Total voters
    192
Painter said:
Ridiculous that even 1 American with an IQ over 95 would lay any responsibility at all what so ever onto Democrats.
Republicans have placed a gun to our heads. How can you blame the victim instead of the attacker?

Dems gave Republicans everything they could have asked for already in the way of a budget so terribly low it is near Ryan levels.
Republicans do not care about the debt any more.
They want to slow, hinder, or harm the Affordable Care Act in some way shape or form or else they are willing to destroy this Country and damage the entire world economy in the process.

I say let them do it. And afterwards lets drag them into the streets and blow their brains out.
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I think tar and feathering would be a better option
 
The Republican House has kept their gym and spa open.
The "do as we say" not as "we do" caucus.
 
The majority of the "majority caucus" in the House is still a minority. The Repubs will always need Dem votes by the Hastert rule.
This problem is not the Hastert rule, it is the 218-rule from one caucus.
Like dems being dropped over Grand Canyon without a parachute.
haymarket said:
What did I get wrong? that you now embrace the MAJORITY when in the past you refer to them as the MOB? Was that wrong?

Or telling you that I did not embrace any idea of a MAJORITY in this discussion on this topic either pro or con? Was that wrong?
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Amash got a RINO primary today.
More and more TEAparty Repubs will be getting RINO'd and gored.
Threegoofs said:
Well....it's pretty essential compared to poor kids with cancer...let's be honest.
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The Republican Guard in Iraq for Saddam.
Would this be like the Republican Guard in DC for Boehner?
 
There are plenty of places Dems are begging to "converse" on.
Keystone, giving up the medical device tax, chained CPI, accepting Ryan's budget number which he then moved lower,
Dems want some "loophole relief", as outlined in Sen. Coburn's plan.
As soon as the clean CRs and debt ceiling occur, Dems will "converse".
Thorgasm said:
Their best isn't good enough then.
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Holidays affected by rogue Republicans will be Thanksgiving and Christmas, for the fourth year in a row.
In today's day and age, noone messes with Orange Halloween.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah, and a majority of them think he's a moron

and most of them know they cannot be used for civilian law enforcement activities
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Who's talking about civilian law enforcement? We're talking about squashing a revolution.
 
NIMBY said:
The majority of the "majority caucus" in the House is still a minority. The Repubs will always need Dem votes by the Hastert rule.
This problem is not the Hastert rule, it is the 218-rule from one caucus.
Like dems being dropped over Grand Canyon without a parachute.
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Your reply is not related to my post.
 
The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’ | Consortiumnews

"Of course, many pragmatic rich folk understand how the extraordinary U.S. system – built by the sweat and ingenuity of countless “average Americans” and protected by the blood of heroic common citizens – has made their fortunes possible. These patriotic multi-millionaires cringe at the spectacle of a U.S. government shutdown and panic at the thought of defaulting on U.S. debt.

But the right-wing billionaires and their political front groups welcome the current chaos. Indeed, they began planning today’s fiscal crisis as soon as their stunning defeat of last November sank in. Rather than behave as a loyal opposition, the Right started plotting soon after Obama took the oath of office a second time, as the New York Times reported:

“Shortly after President Obama started his second term, a loose-knit coalition of conservative activists led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III gathered in the capital to plot strategy. Their push to repeal Mr. Obama’s health care law was going nowhere, and they desperately needed a new plan.

“Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed ‘blueprint to defunding Obamacare,’ signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups. It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government.
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GEE, I wonder if it could be Teabagger's and Republican's fault! Tell your friends.
 
The Debt Deniers----> The latest birthers.
 
TEAparty Repubs getting 'RINO'd' from the center-right.
Amash from MI just got one
 
Former TEAparty darling Kinzinger now has a Teachallenge. This CD combined two sitting Repubs in 2012 primary. Kinzinger supported bombing Syria. Note that Kinzinger has former top staffers for Speaker Hastert.
 
americanwoman said:
There's no poll yet but I think it's ridiculous neither side can compromise. Yes, there are provisions that need to be worked out but why did the ones who oppose it not only wait until the last minute but have no alternative to bring to the table. Something needs to be done with healthcare and while Obamacare isn't perfect it's a start and maybe we should give it a try and if it doesn't work, then fix it.
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The problem with Obamacare is that once you give a program of this size a "start", fixing it or taking it back is almost impossible to do, because people become dependent upon it, even if it bankrupts the country in the process.
 
Caine said:
The problem with Obamacare is that once you give a program of this size a "start", fixing it or taking it back is almost impossible to do, because people become dependent upon it, even if it bankrupts the country in the process.
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Why would it bankrupt the country? Doesn't Obamacare simply require people to pay for their own insurance, providing an exchange market for them to find the best deals and expands medicare for only a very select few?
 
Painter said:
Ridiculous that even 1 American with an IQ over 95 would lay any responsibility at all what so ever onto Democrats Republicans. Republicans Democrats have placed a gun to our heads. How can you blame the victim instead of the attacker?
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There. I fixed it. Republicans are perfectly willing to fund the government. It is the Dems who are throwing a tantrum and holding the nation hostage until they get their new pet entitlement funded. Have you ever seen the movie Blazing Saddles? In particular the part where Cleavon Little's character, faced with an unruly mob, places one forearm across his throat and with the other hand he holds a gun to his own temple; he then announces, "One wrong move and the nigger gets it!" and backs away to safety - just like the Dems are doing now.
 
Caine said:
The problem with Obamacare is that once you give a program of this size a "start", fixing it or taking it back is almost impossible to do, because people become dependent upon it, even if it bankrupts the country in the process.
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Agreed. ObamaCare is designed to fail, and the backup plan is to push for single payer - which means that all of us can look forward to the careless neglect that passes for health care on Indian reservations. Unless we have political connections, or enough money to go overseas for care...
 
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