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Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

Who is at fault for the shutdown?

  • Republicans

    Votes: 87 45.3%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 32 16.7%

  • Both

    Votes: 65 33.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 8 4.2%
  • Total voters
    192
haymarket said:
are you just making this up as you go along or is this from some rule book? The last time I looked it mattered not where the votes came from but only that they were there to pass the bill. That was the time for challenge and it has passed.
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It has been the subject of prominent Op-Eds, some linked on this thread and others. The essential point is that the reason other major social legislation is considered "settled" is that it was passed with bipartisan support. Examples cited were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Civil Rights Act. Contrary example -- not settled -- would be Roe v Wade, which being a judicial decision has no bipartisan support.
 
Whether hard core right wingers admit it or not.

This shutdown is squarely the fault of the GOP in the house.

They are directly responsible and history will agree.
 
Jack Hays said:
Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
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Are you going to hold a gun to President Obama's head and make him sign any legislation that cancels Obamacare?

Republicans are sore losers.
 
pbrauer said:
Are you going to hold a gun to President Obama's head and make him sign any legislation that cancels Obamacare?

Republicans are sore losers.
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I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Whether hard core right wingers admit it or not.

This shutdown is squarely the fault of the GOP in the house.

They are directly responsible and history will agree.
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democratic hacks and leftwing historians will agree. I won't
 
pbrauer said:
Are you going to hold a gun to President Obama's head and make him sign any legislation that cancels Obamacare?

Republicans are sore losers.
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after what went on in 2000, you democrats will never be able to make that claim without gushing the slime of hypocrisy
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
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I agree-its a cancer that should be a good campaign issue
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
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Never interrupt the enemy when he is committing suicide.


:doh
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
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cpwill said:
Never interrupt the enemy when he is committing suicide.
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The problem is that in this case, the enemy is committing suicide in a manner that is going to harm a lot of innocent people in the process. Better to interrupt the enemy before he triggers his bomb vest, or flies the hijacked aircraft into a building.
 
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Jack Hays said:
It has been the subject of prominent Op-Eds, some linked on this thread and others. The essential point is that the reason other major social legislation is considered "settled" is that it was passed with bipartisan support. Examples cited were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Civil Rights Act. Contrary example -- not settled -- would be Roe v Wade, which being a judicial decision has no bipartisan support.
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Those who hold that position are laboring under a false delusion. A law passed is a law passed. It matters not if the votes for it were bipartisan or not.
 
TurtleDude said:
as a result, the dems lost control of the house. the most representative of our governmental organs. More than half of American voters don't want Obama care. Indeed, the unions apparently are against it now

it is contrary to the wishes of the majority

keeping it is anathema to majoritarian desires.
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The majority!?!?!? :doh Majoritarion desires!?!?!?!? :shock: Otherwise known to you in many other threads as the hated .... the loathed .... the to be scorned at all costs .....THE MOB.

Seeing you invoke the supposed will of the majority is downright hysterical. :roll:
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The problem is that in this case, the enemy is committing suicide in a manner that is going to harm a lot of innocent people in the process. Better to interrupt the enemy before he triggers his bomb vest, or flies the hijacked aircraft into a building.
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That's baked in the cake at this point. If the people didn't want to deal with Obamacare, they had the chance in 2012 to ensure that they wouldn't have to do so, and getting Obama to agree to getting rid of his signature legislation is unrealistic. Meanwhile, this tactic makes it less likely that we will actually be able to get rid of the damages of Obamacare. Seizing an undefendable position only ensures you'll take casualties.
 
calamity said:
Obamacare. Passed. Both. Houses. Of. Congress.

It's the law of the land. Why do you wingies not get that?
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The debt ceiling was passed by both houses of congress. It's the law of the land. Don't spend more than the debt ceiling on our debts. Cut spending so you don't have to. Why do you lefties not get that?
 
Slyhunter said:
The debt ceiling was passed by both houses of congress. It's the law of the land. Don't spend more than the debt ceiling on our debts. Cut spending so you don't have to. Why do you lefties not get that?
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Why did the Righties pass a budget that exceeded the debt ceiling? :roll:
 
haymarket said:
The majority!?!?!? :doh Majoritarion desires!?!?!?!? :shock: Otherwise known to you in many other threads as the hated .... the loathed .... the to be scorned at all costs .....THE MOB.

Seeing you invoke the supposed will of the majority is downright hysterical. :roll:
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IT is funny seeing you complain about the majority when your mantra on this board has been an appeal to the majority.
 
TurtleDude said:
IT is funny seeing you complain about the majority when your mantra on this board has been an appeal to the majority.
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I suspect that my observation about your willingness to embrace these crocodile tears for the sacred majority when you have a long and sad record of referring to the majority as THE MOB did not go over your head but a simple lack of creativity motivated you to try to turn the tables........................ rather lamely at that.

And go back and read my post - I NEVER complained about the majority in this discussion. It did not happen. So you are simply wrong on both counts.
 
haymarket said:
I suspect that my observation about your willingness to embrace these crocodile tears for the sacred majority when you have a long and sad record of referring to the majority as THE MOB did not go over your head but a simple lack of creativity motivated you to try to turn the tables........................ rather lamely at that.

And go back and read my post - I NEVER complained about the majority in this discussion. It did not happen. So you are simply wrong on both counts.
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You constantly talk about majority will. I just figured it was a position you would embrace given in the past you support majoritarian confiscation of the wealth of the rich, among other things
 
TurtleDude said:
You constantly talk about majority will. I just figured it was a position you would embrace given in the past you support majoritarian confiscation of the wealth of the rich, among other things
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Thank you for admitting your mistake and replying to a position I had not taken in a post you replied to with inaccuracies.
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for admitting your mistake and replying to a position I had not taken in a post you replied to with inaccuracies.
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thank you for totally misconstruing what I said.
 
TurtleDude said:
thank you for totally misconstruing what I said.
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What did I get wrong? that you now embrace the MAJORITY when in the past you refer to them as the MOB? Was that wrong?

Or telling you that I did not embrace any idea of a MAJORITY in this discussion on this topic either pro or con? Was that wrong?
 
new poll just out from CNN/ORC ON WHO IS TO BLAME. Seems the answer is everyone and everybody.

A new CNN/ORC International poll shows that no one is coming out ahead in the current federal funding impasse, but Republicans are taking more heat than the Democrats.

According to the survey, 63 percent of those questioned said they were angry at Republicans, with 57 percent also angry at Democrats, and 53 percent unhappy with President Obama. Nearly half of those surveyed said the shutdown has caused major problems.

Those numbers are higher than during the shutdowns of 1995-96, when President Bill Clinton and Republicans, under then House Speaker Newt Gingrich, reached an impasse over government funding. Republicans took most of the blame during that stoppage (as evidenced by the famous New York Daily News cover from November 1995).

When the crisis ended, President Clinton’s approval numbers rose to some of their highest of his first term. But this time around, with President Obama receiving a much higher share of the blame in polls — and with no end in sight — it doesn’t look like any winner will emerge anytime soon.



Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/0...eryone-for-government-shutdown/#ixzz2hBN1y93i
 
Ridiculous that even 1 American with an IQ over 95 would lay any responsibility at all what so ever onto Democrats.
Republicans have placed a gun to our heads. How can you blame the victim instead of the attacker?

Dems gave Republicans everything they could have asked for already in the way of a budget so terribly low it is near Ryan levels.
Republicans do not care about the debt any more.
They want to slow, hinder, or harm the Affordable Care Act in some way shape or form or else they are willing to destroy this Country and damage the entire world economy in the process.

I say let them do it. And afterwards lets drag them into the streets and blow their brains out.
 
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