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Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

Who is at fault for the shutdown?

  • Republicans

    Votes: 87 45.3%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 32 16.7%

  • Both

    Votes: 65 33.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 8 4.2%
  • Total voters
    192
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Almost every one of those sheeple are on your side against ObamaCare. Thanks for posting that.

:lamo :lamo :lamo
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What do you know about my side?
 
Rainman05 said:
I said in other threads. The USA should adopt UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE as per other federations in Europe.
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If America wanted to be like the other federations of Europe, then we would have grovelled before George III, and kissed his ass, just as the Canadians did; rather than fighting with all that we had to drive his minions out of our nation.
 
TurtleDude said:
feel free to revolt

remember

no matter what happens
what we have got
is the firepower
and you have not:mrgreen:
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Firepower? As in killing your fellow Americans because you disagree politically with them? That is a disgusting statement which reveals at its heart the contempt and outright hatred the far right has for the American people.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Umm, you do know the military is under the command of Obama, don't you?
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I suspect they wallow in the serious mental delusion that the police and military are also right extremists who will join them in the slaughter of their fellow Americans.
 
haymarket said:
Firepower? As in killing your fellow Americans because you disagree politically with them? That is a disgusting statement which reveals at its heart the contempt and outright hatred the far right has for the American people.
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its best to read the message I was responding to before jumping to conclusions. If you had you would see that the message I was responding to insinuated a threat.


Buck Ewer said:
No fear here my little green terrapin...
Just a slight inconvenience as your party disintegrates before our eyes.
You have thrown in with anarchists my friend and so , you will get your due.
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Doing so prevents one's retort to someone out of the blue from looking silly
 
haymarket said:
I suspect they wallow in the serious mental delusion that the police and military are also right extremists who will join them in the slaughter of their fellow Americans.
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the serious delusions appear to be that if the government becomes dictatorial as Buck apparently hopes, all the cops and soldiers will be on the side of tyrants
 
TurtleDude said:
its best to read the message I was responding to before jumping to conclusions. If you had you would see that the message I was responding to insinuated a threat.




Doing so prevents one's retort to someone out of the blue from looking silly
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Looking silly is you inferring that some physical threat was made against you when none was made. You were told that you would get your due and what was being discussed was politics and the disintegration of your party. Your due is the destruction of your power base and the rendering of its political influence as impotent. The fact that you would take this as a physical threat of violence against you only emphasizes your own feelings on this matter.
 
TurtleDude said:
the serious delusions appear to be that if the government becomes dictatorial as Buck apparently hopes, all the cops and soldiers will be on the side of tyrants
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Thank you for confirming that I was correct and you do harbor such delusions.

btw - the other poster never expressed any desire for dictatorial government powers. That was your own strawman creation. He only criticized "anarchists" and "tea party assholes".
 
haymarket said:
Looking silly is you inferring that some physical threat was made against you when none was made. You were told that you would get your due and what was being discussed was politics and the disintegration of your party. Your due is the destruction of your power base and the rendering of its political influence as impotent. The fact that you would take this as a physical threat of violence against you only emphasizes your own feelings on this matter.
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I am curious, what motivated you to feel a need to respond to my post made to another poster?
 
TurtleDude said:
I am curious, what motivated you to feel a need to respond to my post made to another poster?
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Do you also labor under the false belief that anyone here must first apply for and then gain your permission to comment upon a statement made in a discussion? :roll:
 
calamity said:
Supporters of the GOP argue that the shutdown and showdown over the deb ceiling is the Democrat's fault because Obama and Reid won't negotiate, proving once again that those who vote R are the least informed people alive.
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It's true they won't negotiate. They are forcing Obamacare down our throats and we don't want it. They already wavered or exempted everybody else now it's time to waver we the ordinary people.
 
Slyhunter said:
It's true they won't negotiate. They are forcing Obamacare down our throats and we don't want it. They already wavered or exempted everybody else now it's time to waver we the ordinary people.
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Obamacare. Passed. Both. Houses. Of. Congress.

It's the law of the land. Why do you wingies not get that?
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for confirming that I was correct and you do harbor such delusions.

btw - the other poster never expressed any desire for dictatorial government powers. That was your own strawman creation. He only criticized "anarchists" and "tea party assholes".
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Anyone claiming the tea Party is anywhere close to being anarchists is...well not all there. The Tea Party is nothing more than GOP propaganda and Party Power is about as far away from anarchy as one can get.

In the end the shutdown is due to partisan party politics on both sides. Neither the Democrats nor Republicans are doing their duty to the Republic and the People; both sides run interference and nothing more. This is the fault of the Republocrats in general. It's time to end our One Party system.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Cruz pulled a Bohner and took over the US House of Representatives extorting the system of law by holding the entire US government hostage, and you blame the president???:lamo:lamo:lamo
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Yes. He accepted the consequences of passing ACA on a straight party line vote.
 
Ikari said:
Anyone claiming the tea Party is anywhere close to being anarchists is...well not all there. The Tea Party is nothing more than GOP propaganda and Party Power is about as far away from anarchy as one can get.

In the end the shutdown is due to partisan party politics on both sides. Neither the Democrats nor Republicans are doing their duty to the Republic and the People; both sides run interference and nothing more. This is the fault of the Republocrats in general. It's time to end our One Party system.
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I do not think anyone has said that the tea party group are anarchists. I agree with you that they are simply part and parcel of the republican party.
 
calamity said:
Obamacare. Passed. Both. Houses. Of. Congress.

It's the law of the land. Why do you wingies not get that?
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Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
 
calamity said:
Obamacare. Passed. Both. Houses. Of. Congress.

It's the law of the land. Why do you wingies not get that?
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as a result, the dems lost control of the house. the most representative of our governmental organs. More than half of American voters don't want Obama care. Indeed, the unions apparently are against it now

it is contrary to the wishes of the majority

keeping it is anathema to majoritarian desires.
 
TurtleDude said:
as a result, the dems lost control of the house. the most representative of our governmental organs. More than half of American voters don't want Obama care. Indeed, the unions apparently are against it now

it is contrary to the wishes of the majority

keeping it is anathema to majoritarian desires.
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But, Obama was reelected in 2012, when repealing Obamacare was a major part of the GOP 's platform. So...nice try, but no cigar.
 
Jack Hays said:
Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
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I agree with that. And, if the GOp ever again gets to be a majority in both houses and can override a veto, then by all means, they should repeal it. Until then, it's just sour grapes.

And, the way this is playing out, they will be forever a minority...if the party even survives, of which there is serious doubt, seeing how it is now split.
 
What is this both crap? Have we become so slavishly devoted to equivalency that we can't dissect who's to blame for initiating this crisis? 'Both' is such a silly choice to pick. I'm a lifelong Republican but this inability to point and say that elements of our party are responsible (entirely) for the impasse and eventual shutdown is ridiculous. Obama is not to blame, the ACA is not to blame, the Democrat controlled Senate is not to blame. It is the result of a band of angry Republicans unable to swallow the fact that the ACA passed and we lost all our attempts to stop it in court and in the legislator. It is childish and we are going to reap the consequences for this tantrum in November.
 
calamity said:
I agree with that. And, if the GOp ever again gets to be a majority in both houses and can override a veto, then by all means, they should repeal it. Until then, it's just sour grapes.

And, the way this is playing out, they will be forever a minority...if the party even survives, of which there is serious doubt, seeing how it is now split.
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We shall see. I'm no longer surprised to be surprised.:peace
 
Sherman123 said:
What is this both crap? Have we become so slavishly devoted to equivalency that we can't dissect who's to blame for initiating this crisis? 'Both' is such a silly choice to pick. I'm a lifelong Republican but this inability to point and say that elements of our party are responsible (entirely) for the impasse and eventual shutdown is ridiculous. Obama is not to blame, the ACA is not to blame, the Democrat controlled Senate is not to blame. It is the result of a band of angry Republicans unable to swallow the fact that the ACA passed and we lost all our attempts to stop it in court and in the legislator. It is childish and we are going to reap the consequences for this tantrum in November.
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Both is there to acknowledge that the single party tries to press to America everything in hyper-partisan, emotional terms to attempt to remove logic or reason from any discussion. Both parties are hyperpolarized party machines aimed only at increasing wealth and power of the government and party structure.

Both is the truth, because even starting with the obamacare discussion to start all we got was the partisan "death panels" and "socialism" blah blah blah crap that prevented us from having an intelligent discussion on universal healthcare that would have led to a productive solution.
 
Diogenes said:
But of course! If I didn't think for myself, I'd be an Obama supporter... :mrgreen:
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Funny, I have been arguing with those defending the "right" not to purchase health insurance. I would describe that as NOT thinking "for" oneself, not to mention others who have to pay for that "right" to be a freeloader.
 
Jack Hays said:
Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
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are you just making this up as you go along or is this from some rule book? The last time I looked it mattered not where the votes came from but only that they were there to pass the bill. That was the time for challenge and it has passed.
 
Jack Hays said:
Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
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Huh. So if a bill is passed on a straight party line vote it's illegitimate? Learn something new every day.
 
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