Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

A mass psychosis IOW the voters.

Perotista said:

That in my opinion is their problem. Sometimes I really wonder if they know how to play the political game. It does seem to me at times the Republicans would rather have an ideological candidate win in their primaries only to lose the general. That may well happen here in Georgia, like a Broun vs. Nunn race. A race Broun can't win.

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The new Dem candidate for the Montana Senate just announced--their Lt. Gov

vesper said:

Oh sugar, nothing stupid about it. In their districts they either show an effort to stop this massive mistake or risk not being re-elected.

I don't see any real threat of Republicans in the House to the point of losing the majority but I do see Republicans like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham in the Senate loosing their seats because there is a group of Conservatives, Libertarians and Independents that are not going to vote for these yahoos that continue to compromise our principles and will challenge them in the upcoming primaries. Too bad McCain won't be among those being challenged this year. We still have to put with that yahoo for another 2 years. And a good number of Democrat senators in the red states are toast. Between Obamacare and supporting legislation that violates 2nd Amendment rights, and unwilling to support a balanced budget, these bozos don't stand a chance.

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Only about 80 of the Republican congress folk live in safe conservative districts. There is a lot for the GOP to lose. At this point, the best they can hope for is to come out simply saving face.

disneydude said:

LOL.....considering that about 80% of the Country think the Republicans are being completely ridiculous....somehow I doubt it.

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People don't like Congress but they usually like their own Congressperson. You don't think Repubs are doing this against the wishes of their constituents? We shall see.

Arithmetic.

It's getting harder to deny all the time.

NIMBY said:

Speaking as a Dem, we need to get our donkey heads out of our butts at the state level, where Repubs tore us a new one in 2010. And still no Repubs will credit Michael Steele. Governors, state legislatures, the House, the Senate--Repubs have a better ground game while IMV Dems have better candidates.

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Could be, I really haven't gotten into that. I'll take your word. But it is hard for me to fathom the GOP having the better ground game. I think the advantage the Dems had in 2012 especially at the presidential level was their ground game. Now that may vary from state to state. I will agree with what you said about the candidates. The Dems sure had the better candidates in 2012.

Jack Hays said:

People don't like Congress but they usually like their own Congressperson. You don't think Repubs are doing this against the wishes of their constituents? We shall see.

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Thats true...but outside of the wacko right-wing districts I think that Republicans are overestimating their support, especially where the country is so heavily against their games and grandstanding here. They expected something different and it didn't materialize. Now they find themselves in an awkward position where they have to figure out how to come out of this, not with any kind of a win, but with the least amount of damage.

NIMBY said:

The new Dem candidate for the Montana Senate just announced--their Lt. Gov

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Walsh, He might be able to keep MT Democratic. That is if he wins in the primary.

You know Pero, I keep hearing about all of these safe House Repub seats because Romney carried them.
In states like North Dakota, as you saw, that didn't matter with Heitkamp in the Senate or McCaskill in MO or Donnelly in IN.
Next year, who will these House guys run against/with, Boehner-Pelosi-Clinton-Cruz?
The election is on now and Dems need a full-court press using their whole bench.

Perotista said:

Could be, I really haven't gotten into that. I'll take your word. But it is hard for me to fathom the GOP having the better ground game. I think the advantage the Dems had in 2012 especially at the presidential level was their ground game. Now that may vary from state to state. I will agree with what you said about the candidates. The Dems sure had the better candidates in 2012.

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He'll at least keep it competitive and force Repubs to use their money.
Having newly-elected Tester on the trail with him plus Bachus won't hurt.

Perotista said:

Walsh, He might be able to keep MT Democratic. That is if he wins in the primary.

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I missed your primary comment.
Dems don't usually cut each other up in primaries like Repubs.
Very often they will coalesce around the stronger candidate.
I'll be tracking the House more this time.
Which sites are you leaning on?

Perotista said:

Walsh, He might be able to keep MT Democratic. That is if he wins in the primary.

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disneydude said:

Thats true...but outside of the wacko right-wing districts I think that Republicans are overestimating their support, especially where the country is so heavily against their games and grandstanding here. They expected something different and it didn't materialize. Now they find themselves in an awkward position where they have to figure out how to come out of this, not with any kind of a win, but with the least amount of damage.

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Did you see that Disney raised 427 part-time employees to Full-time so they could have HeritageUsedToCare?

NIMBY said:

You know Pero, I keep hearing about all of these safe House Repub seats because Romney carried them.
In states like North Dakota, as you saw, that didn't matter with Heitkamp in the Senate or McCaskill in MO or Donnelly in IN.
Next year, who will these House guys run against/with, Boehner-Pelosi-Clinton-Cruz?
The election is on now and Dems need a full-court press using their whole bench.

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Democrats have proven to be more skilled at masquerading as conservatives in conservative states. They simply refuse to answer questions about things like coal, or abortion, or health care, and come out as pro-gun.

Watch and learn. Terry McCauliffe in VA was finally pinned down on coal. That could cost him the election.

I think it's funny how people keep complaining about our congressional leaders not doing their jobs. You know, the ones that we're paying them to do.

Our elected officials are paid much more by their corporate sponsors than they are by us, and they are doing exactly what corporate America wants them to do. According to best estimates, the two corporate candidates in the 2012 Presidential election were financed to the tune of 2 billion dollars. Billions, with a B.

I'm no mathematician, but I reckon that it would take approximately 2,500 years for the Presidents measly state salary to reach even half that level.

francois60 said:

Democrats have proven to be more skilled at masquerading as conservatives in conservative states. They simply refuse to answer questions about things like coal, or abortion, or health care, and come out as pro-gun.

Watch and learn. Terry McCauliffe in VA was finally pinned down on coal. That could cost him the election.

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Heidi Heitkamp from ND is a con Dem and showed it helping the filibuster of Toomey/Manchin- we can all cherry-pick issues-good luck with cooch with women, VA's huge public job sector-and cooch tied into McDonnell's gifts

NIMBY said:

Did you see that Disney raised 427 part-time employees to Full-time so they could have HeritageUsedToCare?

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That's nothing. Walmart is bringing 35000 workers to full time, because apparently they didn't get the memo that Obamacare kills jobs.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...rs-obamacare-not-such-a-job-killer-after-all/

Jack Hays said:

The reason you won't cite it is because it doesn't exist.

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You're just lazy:


9. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Publicly Announces His Top Political Priority (Dec 2010). McConnell wants the President out of office? No news there, but, wait, there’s more to it. “Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term,” Sen. McConnell told the Heritage Foundation. Of course the Senate Republican Leader doesn’t want the President to be re-elected. But what’s with the public announcement? In July 2010 McConnell acknowledged his single most important political goal: President Obama being a one-term President. Again: In public and on national television.

The 10 Worst Moments of Disrespect Towards President Obama | Politic365

NIMBY said:

You know Pero, I keep hearing about all of these safe House Repub seats because Romney carried them.
In states like North Dakota, as you saw, that didn't matter with Heitkamp in the Senate or McCaskill in MO or Donnelly in IN.
Next year, who will these House guys run against/with, Boehner-Pelosi-Clinton-Cruz?
The election is on now and Dems need a full-court press using their whole bench.

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McCaskill and Donnelly ran against two idiots in Aiken and Mourdock. How can one with only a 39% favorable and a 53% unfavorable rating win, you run against her an Aiken who had only a 31% favorable rating and a 60% unfavorable. This was not a feather in McCaskill's cap, this was a failure of the two party system.

Up till the government shutdown, I was 100% certain the 2014 election would be all about Obamacare ala 2010 mostly. Now I don't know. Maybe just local issues or who knows what major event or events will take place between now and then that throws everything into a tizzy. I know I posted by 1 Oct update, but if I was to do so today, 4 Oct instead of 1 Oct, I would think the GOP only picks up 3 senate seats and loses perhaps 5 house seats. Who knows, the GOP may even lose the Georgia seat.

NIMBY said:

He'll at least keep it competitive and force Repubs to use their money.
Having newly-elected Tester on the trail with him plus Bachus won't hurt.

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Stranger things has happened. This will indeed be a contest, a contest in which the GOP may actually lose another one.

NIMBY said:

I missed your primary comment.
Dems don't usually cut each other up in primaries like Repubs.
Very often they will coalesce around the stronger candidate.
I'll be tracking the House more this time.
Which sites are you leaning on?

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The two I rely most on are Larry Sabato and Charlie Cook. Then when the time gets closer you can throw in Gallup and RCP. I think Nate Silva is no longer at 538, he was the guru of predictions.

Perotista said:

I tend to agree that as of today, the House is safely Republican. But I would be careful when it comes to the senate, the GOP history of nominating people like Aiken, Mourdock, O'Donnel and others have given senate seats to the Democrats where the Republicans should have won if they had a decent candidate.

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Aiken and Mourdock both lost because of their extreme personal views on abortion that are not even in the mainstream of most pro-life people. These two candidates were both backed by the GOP and later the Tea Party for their message of fiscal responsibility. O'Donnell was a true Tea Party candidate going after Joe Biden's old seat. Her fight was different. She had next to no support from the Republican Elites. On March 9, 2010, the day she revealed her plan to run for the Senate in a press release, a tax lien was placed on a house purported to be hers and publicized. The problem was she no longer owned the house. The IRS eventually blamed the lien on a computer glitch and withdrew it. A criminal investigator for the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration said that an official in Delaware state government had improperly accessed her records on that very same day she announced her candidacy. The press ran with the story painting her as someone who talked a lot about feckless spending in Washington while painting her as someone who didn't pay her own taxes.

What all future candidates for the GOP need to realize is the media is not their friend. That if there is ANYTHING they can extract from what they say that can help a Democrat, it will happen on a national level. All of us have our own personal views on abortion and the right needs to learn how to stop allowing the left to use this issue as a litmus test.

Many of those red state Democrats that will be defending their seats in 2014 are pro life. But this time around they are going to have to defend their support for gun bans, and Obamacare both topics very unpopular in red states.

Looks to me as if the DP poll is pretty much in line with public opinion within and without the USA; that the Repubs are chiefly to blame. Linking the withdrawal, amendment or delay of legislation already signed into law with the approval of the entire budget is not an appropriate tactic to use. It pretty much defines what a lot of people think about the broken nature of Washington and the US political system in general.

It was originally the fault of the Tea Party, but now its all on John Boehner.

That's all that matters anymore to people, is WHO'S AT FAULT or WHO IS TO BLAME. Whether the government is executing it's Constitutional duties is irrelevant. That's why we have poll threads like this, and other threads discussing whom to blame.

Boo Radley said:

You're just lazy:


9. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Publicly Announces His Top Political Priority (Dec 2010). McConnell wants the President out of office? No news there, but, wait, there’s more to it. “Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term,” Sen. McConnell told the Heritage Foundation. Of course the Senate Republican Leader doesn’t want the President to be re-elected. But what’s with the public announcement? In July 2010 McConnell acknowledged his single most important political goal: President Obama being a one-term President. Again: In public and on national television.

The 10 Worst Moments of Disrespect Towards President Obama | Politic365

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Which statement came after the straight party line enactment of ACA, and therefore cannot be used to justify that particular episode of Dem political malpractice. Game, set and match to me. Thank you.:mrgreen: