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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    My memory is just fine. I understand that I should believe your spin and not my lying eyes, but I think I'll stick to what I witnessed, anyway. The PPACA is a mess, and many of us knew it would be. With that in mind we are now supposed to believe that it was a joint effort by both the left and the right and that the Heritage Foundation dreamed the whole thing up in the first place. The element of truth in that is so small as to not be worthy of consideration. This is largely the result of the GOP offering weak presidential candidates in two elections, so their failure has become a significant one when the consequences are considered. With the normal budget process turned on its head now, there's little wonder we reach such impasses. It has become an all or nothing game, which is exactly what the democrats have desired for the past five years. They engineered it, and it's theirs to own.
    Outstanding post my friend.

    The Democrats opted years ago to run the financial business of this country through the political circus of continuing resolution. Unilaterally railroading Obamacare through Congress, what do they expect today, especially in light of all the problems, waivers, and wave offs that have become the norm with their program?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?
    The American people... for continuing to vote these same clowns into office over and over.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Outstanding post my friend.

    The Democrats opted years ago to run the financial business of this country through the political circus of continuing resolution. Unilaterally railroading Obamacare through Congress, what do they expect today, especially in light of all the problems, waivers, and wave offs that have become the norm with their program?
    Thanks, but we know this is true, and it's obvious to any interested, honest observer. In light of what has transpired surrounding the jerks, starts, and exemptions associated with the ACA, anybody could reasonably conclude that it hasn't been well considered or designed. The rollout yesterday provided ample proof they aren't ready for even that part of the legislation. Anybody with any experience at all in such things - private or public - would have known that with such a heralded start up, they should expect a very heavy initial interest. They didn't - or at the least they weren't prepared for what would be considered a no-brainer to most people. All in all, it's pretty inept. Hiding an agenda behind CR's doesn't change the consequences, and the left seems wholly unprepared for that as well. The belief they can control the narrative only works until real events supplant the narrative. They've reached that point, and now they seem desperate to blame the opposition for their poor results.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So how come such a simple alternative plan wasn't brought in by republicans months or even years ago? Obamacare wasn't signed into law yesterday.
    Because this is the showdown they wanted. GIve us what we want or else. That is not compromise, that is blackmail. Hell closer to terrorism than blackmail.

    What do they not get. ACA is law. No matter what poll they show, the reality is that ACA was a HUGE part of Obama's accomplishments and Obama was re-elected by a large margin. And as recall democrats gained seats in both the senate and the house. Take a hint. Americans may have issues with ACA, but they made sure all the people who would allow it to come to life stayed and even gain more power.

    With this type of attempt at "compromise" who could trust the compromise in good faith?

    I know of no democrat in real life who thinks this is the final incarnation of health care reform. Most democrats I know in real life see this as a necessary foot in the door.

    It is so funny at the hatred spewed at Obama over this. It is funny that none of this hatred ever seemed to be spewed at the large corporations screwing over the consumer without regard to their life or well being.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    It's good to know that if the Republicans win the Senate next year that the left leaning members here will encourage the President to sign every bill the Republican congress sends to his desk. After all, elections matter and the majority should always get its way, right?
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    When you block budget conferences a whole year, try to repeal a law around 40 times when you know its not going to get anywhere, and you wait till the last second to try to pass a budget which includes approving Keystone pipeline, eliminating funding for PP, broad Tax Reform, defunding Obamacare, means testing for social security, and many various other things and the Democrats literally get nothing but keeping sequester cuts (which they dont like in the first place) and the gov stays open. Thats not a deal, thats not even governing. Thats trying to use the gov as a political tool. Then they want to use short term CR's to keep the government open for a short time so they can do the same thing all over again.


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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    It's good to know that if the Republicans win the Senate next year that the left leaning members here will encourage the President to sign every bill the Republican congress sends to his desk. After all, elections matter and the majority should always get its way, right?
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    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?
    Standard Republocrat behavior. Neither the Republican nor Democrats actually care because they won't be impacted by the shutdown except for maybe some time off. So they're both willing to drive this break point on partisan grandstanding because they won't get hurt and they can point their finger at the other side and say it's all their fault. Just what we expect out of the modern Republocrat.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When you block budget conferences a whole year, try to repeal a law around 40 times when you know its not going to get anywhere, and you wait till the last second to try to pass a budget which includes approving Keystone pipeline, eliminating funding for PP, broad Tax Reform, defunding Obamacare, means testing for social security, and many various other things and the Democrats literally get nothing but keeping sequester cuts (which they dont like in the first place) and the gov stays open. Thats not a deal, thats not even governing. Thats trying to use the gov as a political tool. Then they want to use short term CR's to keep the government open for a short time so they can do the same thing all over again.
    It is a cross between blackmail and terrorism.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    It's good to know that if the Republicans win the Senate next year that the left leaning members here will encourage the President to sign every bill the Republican congress sends to his desk. After all, elections matter and the majority should always get its way, right?
    Who ever said that? I hope Dems filibuster everything under the sun like Republicans have. In the past I'd agree that the Dems should respect votes but not anymore. That sort of norm is long gone.
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