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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    awesome, now we're getting somewhere. next up, assault weapons.

    there's another mass shooting, and the Democrats refuse to negotiate the debt ceiling without a full assault weapons ban being attached. after some wrangling, the compromise is one assault weapon per household, and all ammunition purchases are logged into a database so that those who are making large purchases can be flagged and investigated.

    isn't this fun? we've found a new way to pass controversial legislation!

    in reality, if this happened, the same people who support this tactic now would be in the gun forum calling for civil war. you just don't see it because you support the side that's doing it this time. i don't like the PPACA, either; i think it should have been scrapped once single payer was off the table. i like this tactic even less, though. this shutdown makes us look like complete idiots, and it's going to cost money. if it looks like we're going to default, that will be an utter disaster. interest on the debt will go up, our credit rating will go down, and we risk losing global reserve currency status. this will end up amounting to the largest tax increase in modern history, and all because some representatives wanted to throw a tantrum over health care. we cannot and should not govern this way.
    Yeah, this is fun. Why didn't Democrats go this route in the lead up to a govt shutdown?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yeah, this is fun. Why didn't Democrats go this route in the lead up to a govt shutdown?
    they did. that's why we have the heritage foundation's "solution" instead of single payer.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they did. that's why we have the heritage foundation's "solution" instead of single payer.
    They didn't, as indicated by unanimous Republican opposition.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They didn't, as indicated by unanimous Republican opposition.
    i guess they just wouldn't compromise.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i guess they just wouldn't compromise.
    Right, leading to unanimous opposition. I knew you'd get it.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Right, leading to unanimous opposition. I knew you'd get it.
    and it's a shame that you can't or won't. I'll let you have the last word, though.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and it's a shame that you can't or won't. I'll let you have the last word, though.
    Can't get what? That a lack of willingness to negotiate or compromise leads to deadlock? I get it.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Can't get what? That a lack of willingness to negotiate or compromise leads to deadlock? I get it.
    What you're not getting is that if this practice becomes more commonplace, the other side is going to use the strategy to force through things that you hate. You're also not getting that after a vote, a court challenge, a presidential election, and 42 attempts to repeal, it's still the law and must be funded. We both lost. Get over it.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    What you're not getting is that if this practice becomes more commonplace, the other side is going to use the strategy to force through things that you hate. You're also not getting that after a vote, a court challenge, a presidential election, and 42 attempts to repeal, it's still the law and must be funded. We both lost. Get over it.
    This precedent that you think is so new is actually longstanding, it's simply a process in our established system of government. Now, this court challenge failed on govt's right to tax, something the Obama administration claimed it wasn't...a tax. Also, parts of it didn't survive the court challenge if you remember. Lastly, it doesn't have to be funded, just like laws don't have to be defended...as illustrated, again, by the Obama administration.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They didn't, as indicated by unanimous Republican opposition.
    the republicans have opposed health care reform of any kind, ever since obama made the goal of health care reform his administrations top priority in his first term.

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