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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    Why would they hold bills they have no issue with hostage? That's just silly.
    Because Ted Cruz is a member and fake filibusters bills he supports?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    Why would they hold bills they have no issue with hostage? That's just silly.
    How about actually debate the issues and take votes on them and see who wins instead of defunding the government if you don't get your way? Are we gonna allow each side to threaten to shut down the government when they don't get their way?

    This is ridiculous and your partisanship is blinding you to the truth.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    It's Obama's fault.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    Defunding the program, no it doesn't have to be in the budget.
    Obamacare does have to be in the budget, period. Whether it's funding it or defunding it. Further, the Republicans offered a simple delay while funding the rest of govt to discuss the issue with it everyone knows is a train wreck. Dems refused.

    They did lose, they lost the presidency and they didn't gain control of the senate. The democrats control 2/3 of the government and the republicans are just going to have to learn to live with it. They lost, period. These tactics are not a safeguard against the majority these tactics will kill our nation.
    So, Dems control 2/3 of govt but couldn't keep it open?

    I don't know the specifics of those instances, but if it was like this then yes it was. This kind of tactic is irresponsible and harms the entire country.
    It doesn't do much harm to the country, in fact. Just pinches those that aren't getting paid, until the bill is passed backpaying those of us actually affected.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?
    The main culprits in the shutdown, in my view, are the American electorate who can't seem to make up their minds. Until you're comfortable with electing people who actually do what they say they're going to do and not what you hope they'll change into, you're going to continue to get government that disappoints you.

    Almost all the so called "suicide caucus" on the Republican side were sent to Washington by their constituents to put a stop to wasteful spending, put a stop to accumulating debt, and put a stop to Obamacare. Seems to me, these people are actually the ones doing the people's business and yet the electorate allows them to be bad-mouthed by a media that wouldn't know principles if they got slapped in the face by some and they believe politicians should be blamed when they do exactly as they were elected to do. I hope the people who live in the districts of these representatives let them know how much they support them for standing up for them.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not what happened in the mid-90's.
    Yeah, because Clinton didn't win re-election or anything.

    And it's not like Newt didn't lose his speakership over the ordeal.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    How about actually debate the issues and take votes on them and see who wins instead of defunding the government if you don't get your way? Are we gonna allow each side to threaten to shut down the government when they don't get their way?
    They didn't vote to defund govt, they sent over a bill that funds govt.
    If Dems refuse to negotiate, what does debate do?

    This is ridiculous and your partisanship is blinding you to the truth.
    That is funny.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    Yeah, because Clinton didn't win re-election or anything.

    And it's not like Newt didn't lose his speakership over the ordeal.
    Neither one of those points is what was talked about. "Holding every bill hostage" was.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    How about actually debate the issues and take votes on them and see who wins instead of defunding the government if you don't get your way? Are we gonna allow each side to threaten to shut down the government when they don't get their way?

    This is ridiculous and your partisanship is blinding you to the truth.
    Yep. The way to get your way is to win elections, not engage in brinksmanship to extort concessions. That being said, I do believe in using the minority, or control of one chamber of Congress, creatively to get things done that would otherwise be impossible, but not shutting down the government or default. What I have in mind are things like forcing Reid to hold votes he'd rather not hold, which they already accomplished and should have been satisfied with.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Do you know what the top marginal rate has been and how it got there?

    To answer your question, no, I would not support it and would probably settle on a smaller increase....as the Republicans did earlier this year. Compromise, see how that works?
    awesome, now we're getting somewhere. next up, assault weapons.

    there's another mass shooting, and the Democrats refuse to negotiate the debt ceiling without a full assault weapons ban being attached. after some wrangling, the compromise is one assault weapon per household, and all ammunition purchases are logged into a database so that those who are making large purchases can be flagged and investigated.

    isn't this fun? we've found a new way to pass controversial legislation!

    in reality, if this happened, the same people who support this tactic now would be in the gun forum calling for civil war. you just don't see it because you support the side that's doing it this time. i don't like the PPACA, either; i think it should have been scrapped once single payer was off the table. i like this tactic even less, though. this shutdown makes us look like complete idiots, and it's going to cost money. if it looks like we're going to default, that will be an utter disaster. interest on the debt will go up, our credit rating will go down, and we risk losing global reserve currency status. this will end up amounting to the largest tax increase in modern history, and all because some representatives wanted to throw a tantrum over health care. we cannot and should not govern this way.

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