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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    wonder how long before the poll is spammed
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    Then don't attach it to the freaking budget and take the whole government hostage because you do not have the votes to get rid of it!
    It's a budgetary item, it has to be attached to the budget.

    The republicans don't have the votes to get rid of this law and they need to get the **** over it. You know how we know this? Because they have voted on it 40+ times! You'd think they'd get the message and do something that might actually succeed. We went through an entire election with this being a huge part of it and they lost.
    They didn't lose, they retained the house. Further, when the Dems were the minority party, they resulted to the same tactics. In fact, these tactics are a result of safegaurds in our government that limits the amount of power the majority has.

    Taking the government hostage because they don't have the votes to push their agenda is childish no matter what side does it. The republicans are being childish and are acting disgraceful.
    "Taking govt hostage" is simply hyberbole. Did the Dems take govt hostage during the Reagan years in the annual shutdowns that occurred then?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    It happened in the mid-90's and it'll happen again now. It's amazing how blind they are.
    I actually think it's worse this time.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The status quo is just that. Democrats have no demands for opening the government or raising the debt ceiling. Only the GOP does.
    They have the demand of keeping Obamacare intact, and they are willing to let govt close in order to do so.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's a budgetary item, it has to be attached to the budget.
    Defunding the program, no it doesn't have to be in the budget.


    They didn't lose, they retained the house. Further, when the Dems were the minority party, they resulted to the same tactics. In fact, these tactics are a result of safegaurds in our government that limits the amount of power the majority has.
    They did lose, they lost the presidency and they didn't gain control of the senate. The democrats control 2/3 of the government and the republicans are just going to have to learn to live with it. They lost, period. These tactics are not a safeguard against the majority these tactics will kill our nation.


    "Taking govt hostage" is simply hyberbole. Did the Dems take govt hostage during the Reagan years in the annual shutdowns that occurred then?
    I don't know the specifics of those instances, but if it was like this then yes it was. This kind of tactic is irresponsible and harms the entire country.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    So you'd support a democratic house refusing to vote for a budget or a debt ceiling unless a massive new tax was imposed on the rich? Let's say they want a top marginal rate of seventy percent on those making more than a million a year. Should the Republican senate and president cave? If so, what top marginal rate would you support as a compromise?
    Do you know what the top marginal rate has been and how it got there?

    To answer your question, no, I would not support it and would probably settle on a smaller increase....as the Republicans did earlier this year. Compromise, see how that works?
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Hold every bill hostage then. The voters will know who shut down the govt. They will know who still got paid when the government was shut down. They will vote accordingly.
    Why would they hold bills they have no issue with hostage? That's just silly.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I actually think it's worse this time.
    I don't know, I was 5 at the time so I'll have to take your word for it.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It happened in the mid-90's and it'll happen again now. It's amazing how blind they are.
    That's not what happened in the mid-90's.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

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    I don't know, I was 5 at the time so I'll have to take your word for it.
    Well, I was in the Navy at the time...and we lived through it.
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