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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Never interrupt the enemy when he is committing suicide.




    You hit Obama and Reids strategy right on the head!

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Never interrupt the enemy when he is committing suicide.
    The problem is that in this case, the enemy is committing suicide in a manner that is going to harm a lot of innocent people in the process. Better to interrupt the enemy before he triggers his bomb vest, or flies the hijacked aircraft into a building.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It has been the subject of prominent Op-Eds, some linked on this thread and others. The essential point is that the reason other major social legislation is considered "settled" is that it was passed with bipartisan support. Examples cited were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Civil Rights Act. Contrary example -- not settled -- would be Roe v Wade, which being a judicial decision has no bipartisan support.
    Those who hold that position are laboring under a false delusion. A law passed is a law passed. It matters not if the votes for it were bipartisan or not.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as a result, the dems lost control of the house. the most representative of our governmental organs. More than half of American voters don't want Obama care. Indeed, the unions apparently are against it now

    it is contrary to the wishes of the majority

    keeping it is anathema to majoritarian desires.
    The majority!?!?!? Majoritarion desires!?!?!?!? Otherwise known to you in many other threads as the hated .... the loathed .... the to be scorned at all costs .....THE MOB.

    Seeing you invoke the supposed will of the majority is downright hysterical.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The problem is that in this case, the enemy is committing suicide in a manner that is going to harm a lot of innocent people in the process. Better to interrupt the enemy before he triggers his bomb vest, or flies the hijacked aircraft into a building.
    That's baked in the cake at this point. If the people didn't want to deal with Obamacare, they had the chance in 2012 to ensure that they wouldn't have to do so, and getting Obama to agree to getting rid of his signature legislation is unrealistic. Meanwhile, this tactic makes it less likely that we will actually be able to get rid of the damages of Obamacare. Seizing an undefendable position only ensures you'll take casualties.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Obamacare. Passed. Both. Houses. Of. Congress.

    It's the law of the land. Why do you wingies not get that?
    The debt ceiling was passed by both houses of congress. It's the law of the land. Don't spend more than the debt ceiling on our debts. Cut spending so you don't have to. Why do you lefties not get that?
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    The debt ceiling was passed by both houses of congress. It's the law of the land. Don't spend more than the debt ceiling on our debts. Cut spending so you don't have to. Why do you lefties not get that?
    Why did the Righties pass a budget that exceeded the debt ceiling?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The majority!?!?!? Majoritarion desires!?!?!?!? Otherwise known to you in many other threads as the hated .... the loathed .... the to be scorned at all costs .....THE MOB.

    Seeing you invoke the supposed will of the majority is downright hysterical.
    IT is funny seeing you complain about the majority when your mantra on this board has been an appeal to the majority.



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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    IT is funny seeing you complain about the majority when your mantra on this board has been an appeal to the majority.
    I suspect that my observation about your willingness to embrace these crocodile tears for the sacred majority when you have a long and sad record of referring to the majority as THE MOB did not go over your head but a simple lack of creativity motivated you to try to turn the tables........................ rather lamely at that.

    And go back and read my post - I NEVER complained about the majority in this discussion. It did not happen. So you are simply wrong on both counts.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I suspect that my observation about your willingness to embrace these crocodile tears for the sacred majority when you have a long and sad record of referring to the majority as THE MOB did not go over your head but a simple lack of creativity motivated you to try to turn the tables........................ rather lamely at that.

    And go back and read my post - I NEVER complained about the majority in this discussion. It did not happen. So you are simply wrong on both counts.
    You constantly talk about majority will. I just figured it was a position you would embrace given in the past you support majoritarian confiscation of the wealth of the rich, among other things



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