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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    are you just making this up as you go along or is this from some rule book? The last time I looked it mattered not where the votes came from but only that they were there to pass the bill. That was the time for challenge and it has passed.
    It has been the subject of prominent Op-Eds, some linked on this thread and others. The essential point is that the reason other major social legislation is considered "settled" is that it was passed with bipartisan support. Examples cited were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Civil Rights Act. Contrary example -- not settled -- would be Roe v Wade, which being a judicial decision has no bipartisan support.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Huh. So if a bill is passed on a straight party line vote it's illegitimate? Learn something new every day.
    Not illegitimate, merely political fair game for challenge.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Whether hard core right wingers admit it or not.

    This shutdown is squarely the fault of the GOP in the house.

    They are directly responsible and history will agree.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
    Are you going to hold a gun to President Obama's head and make him sign any legislation that cancels Obamacare?

    Republicans are sore losers.


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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you going to hold a gun to President Obama's head and make him sign any legislation that cancels Obamacare?

    Republicans are sore losers.
    I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Whether hard core right wingers admit it or not.

    This shutdown is squarely the fault of the GOP in the house.

    They are directly responsible and history will agree.
    democratic hacks and leftwing historians will agree. I won't



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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you going to hold a gun to President Obama's head and make him sign any legislation that cancels Obamacare?

    Republicans are sore losers.
    after what went on in 2000, you democrats will never be able to make that claim without gushing the slime of hypocrisy



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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
    I agree-its a cancer that should be a good campaign issue



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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you going to hold a gun to President Obama's head
    emotional content.....ever wins

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not in favor of the shutdown so I wouldn't make anyone do anything. I'd rather let ACA go into effect and then run against it in 2014.
    Never interrupt the enemy when he is committing suicide.



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