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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Obamacare. Passed. Both. Houses. Of. Congress.

    It's the law of the land. Why do you wingies not get that?
    Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Obamacare. Passed. Both. Houses. Of. Congress.

    It's the law of the land. Why do you wingies not get that?
    as a result, the dems lost control of the house. the most representative of our governmental organs. More than half of American voters don't want Obama care. Indeed, the unions apparently are against it now

    it is contrary to the wishes of the majority

    keeping it is anathema to majoritarian desires.



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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as a result, the dems lost control of the house. the most representative of our governmental organs. More than half of American voters don't want Obama care. Indeed, the unions apparently are against it now

    it is contrary to the wishes of the majority

    keeping it is anathema to majoritarian desires.
    But, Obama was reelected in 2012, when repealing Obamacare was a major part of the GOP 's platform. So...nice try, but no cigar.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
    I agree with that. And, if the GOp ever again gets to be a majority in both houses and can override a veto, then by all means, they should repeal it. Until then, it's just sour grapes.

    And, the way this is playing out, they will be forever a minority...if the party even survives, of which there is serious doubt, seeing how it is now split.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    What is this both crap? Have we become so slavishly devoted to equivalency that we can't dissect who's to blame for initiating this crisis? 'Both' is such a silly choice to pick. I'm a lifelong Republican but this inability to point and say that elements of our party are responsible (entirely) for the impasse and eventual shutdown is ridiculous. Obama is not to blame, the ACA is not to blame, the Democrat controlled Senate is not to blame. It is the result of a band of angry Republicans unable to swallow the fact that the ACA passed and we lost all our attempts to stop it in court and in the legislator. It is childish and we are going to reap the consequences for this tantrum in November.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I agree with that. And, if the GOp ever again gets to be a majority in both houses and can override a veto, then by all means, they should repeal it. Until then, it's just sour grapes.

    And, the way this is playing out, they will be forever a minority...if the party even survives, of which there is serious doubt, seeing how it is now split.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What is this both crap? Have we become so slavishly devoted to equivalency that we can't dissect who's to blame for initiating this crisis? 'Both' is such a silly choice to pick. I'm a lifelong Republican but this inability to point and say that elements of our party are responsible (entirely) for the impasse and eventual shutdown is ridiculous. Obama is not to blame, the ACA is not to blame, the Democrat controlled Senate is not to blame. It is the result of a band of angry Republicans unable to swallow the fact that the ACA passed and we lost all our attempts to stop it in court and in the legislator. It is childish and we are going to reap the consequences for this tantrum in November.
    Both is there to acknowledge that the single party tries to press to America everything in hyper-partisan, emotional terms to attempt to remove logic or reason from any discussion. Both parties are hyperpolarized party machines aimed only at increasing wealth and power of the government and party structure.

    Both is the truth, because even starting with the obamacare discussion to start all we got was the partisan "death panels" and "socialism" blah blah blah crap that prevented us from having an intelligent discussion on universal healthcare that would have led to a productive solution.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    But of course! If I didn't think for myself, I'd be an Obama supporter...
    Funny, I have been arguing with those defending the "right" not to purchase health insurance. I would describe that as NOT thinking "for" oneself, not to mention others who have to pay for that "right" to be a freeloader.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
    are you just making this up as you go along or is this from some rule book? The last time I looked it mattered not where the votes came from but only that they were there to pass the bill. That was the time for challenge and it has passed.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because of the way it was passed, on a straight party line vote, it remains subject to challenge.
    Huh. So if a bill is passed on a straight party line vote it's illegitimate? Learn something new every day.

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