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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's rediculous considering that Obamacare is the only point of contention. Republicans have sent several compromise bills to the Senate and the Senate has flat refused to negotiate. It is the Dems in the Senate that are acting like children.
    How about debate the issue and not attach something that kills the Affordable Care Act in a budget? They know they can't do it that way because they just don't have the votes. So they put a gun to the head of the government and say they will pull the trigger unless Congress defunds the most important piece of legislation of Obama's term. The democrats saying no to that is not them being unwilling to compromise, it's the republicans being childish because they lost.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    As in "We won't negotiate!" That party of no?
    Negotiating time was 2 years ago. Now the GOP, after 30+ votes failing to repeal the ACA, wants to hold the whole government hostage?

    The Republican platform is a self fulfilling prophecy. They tell you how bad government is, then they get elected and do their best to prove it.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Negotiating time was 2 years ago. Now the GOP, after 30+ votes failing to repeal the ACA, wants to hold the whole government hostage?
    Negotiating time doesn't have a limit.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    How about debate the issue and not attach something that kills the Affordable Care Act in a budget? They know they can't do it that way because they just don't have the votes. So they put a gun to the head of the government and say they will pull the trigger unless Congress defunds the most important piece of legislation of Obama's term. The democrats saying no to that is not them being unwilling to compromise, it's the republicans being childish because they lost.
    The issue is Obamacare.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The issue is Obamacare.
    Then don't attach it to the freaking budget and take the whole government hostage because you do not have the votes to get rid of it!

    The republicans don't have the votes to get rid of this law and they need to get the **** over it. You know how we know this? Because they have voted on it 40+ times! You'd think they'd get the message and do something that might actually succeed. We went through an entire election with this being a huge part of it and they lost.

    Taking the government hostage because they don't have the votes to push their agenda is childish no matter what side does it. The republicans are being childish and are acting disgraceful.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And the Dems refusing anything other than exactly what they want is not unreasonable and childish prickisness?
    The status quo is just that. Democrats have no demands for opening the government or raising the debt ceiling. Only the GOP does.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    As the House continues to send over appropriation bills to partially fund limited government for a limited time, and Harry Reid continues to say NO or refuse to go to conference is going to make Harry Reid and the Democrats look very bad. You haven't seen any Democrat Senators from red states out there defending Obamacare or gun restriction laws have you? Both topics are very unpopular in red states. There are several Democrat senators from red states up for re-election in 2014. Democrats are defending Senate seats in Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Carolina and South Dakota — all GOP-leaning states. Because they chose to stay in line with the rest of their party, they are destined to be toast. And this week our senior citizens received a big packet from Medicare telling them of the upcoming sweeping cuts in their coverage due to Obamacare. Once they all have time to digest all the changes, I envision the elderly taking to the streets with pitchforks and torches before this is over. Another thing working against the Democrats are all the glitches and inability to even sign people up for Obamacare showing this program is not yet ready for prime time and should have been postponed until all the glitches were ironed out. It would have been advantageous for them to have accepted the one year delay offered by the Republicans to iron out all the problems.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That precedent was set long ago. If you remember, Obama voted to do just that as a Senator.
    So you'd support a democratic house refusing to vote for a budget or a debt ceiling unless a massive new tax was imposed on the rich? Let's say they want a top marginal rate of seventy percent on those making more than a million a year. Should the Republican senate and president cave? If so, what top marginal rate would you support as a compromise?

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Negotiating time doesn't have a limit.
    Hold every bill hostage then. The voters will know who shut down the govt. They will know who still got paid when the government was shut down. They will vote accordingly.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Hold every bill hostage then. The voters will know who shut down the govt. They will know who still got paid when the government was shut down. They will vote accordingly.
    It happened in the mid-90's and it'll happen again now. It's amazing how blind they are.
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