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    Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Did you see that Disney raised 427 part-time employees to Full-time so they could have HeritageUsedToCare?
    That's nothing. Walmart is bringing 35000 workers to full time, because apparently they didn't get the memo that Obamacare kills jobs.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The reason you won't cite it is because it doesn't exist.
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    9. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Publicly Announces His Top Political Priority (Dec 2010). McConnell wants the President out of office? No news there, but, wait, there’s more to it. “Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term,” Sen. McConnell told the Heritage Foundation. Of course the Senate Republican Leader doesn’t want the President to be re-elected. But what’s with the public announcement? In July 2010 McConnell acknowledged his single most important political goal: President Obama being a one-term President. Again: In public and on national television.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You know Pero, I keep hearing about all of these safe House Repub seats because Romney carried them.
    In states like North Dakota, as you saw, that didn't matter with Heitkamp in the Senate or McCaskill in MO or Donnelly in IN.
    Next year, who will these House guys run against/with, Boehner-Pelosi-Clinton-Cruz?
    The election is on now and Dems need a full-court press using their whole bench.
    McCaskill and Donnelly ran against two idiots in Aiken and Mourdock. How can one with only a 39% favorable and a 53% unfavorable rating win, you run against her an Aiken who had only a 31% favorable rating and a 60% unfavorable. This was not a feather in McCaskill's cap, this was a failure of the two party system.

    Up till the government shutdown, I was 100% certain the 2014 election would be all about Obamacare ala 2010 mostly. Now I don't know. Maybe just local issues or who knows what major event or events will take place between now and then that throws everything into a tizzy. I know I posted by 1 Oct update, but if I was to do so today, 4 Oct instead of 1 Oct, I would think the GOP only picks up 3 senate seats and loses perhaps 5 house seats. Who knows, the GOP may even lose the Georgia seat.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    He'll at least keep it competitive and force Repubs to use their money.
    Having newly-elected Tester on the trail with him plus Bachus won't hurt.
    Stranger things has happened. This will indeed be a contest, a contest in which the GOP may actually lose another one.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I missed your primary comment.
    Dems don't usually cut each other up in primaries like Repubs.
    Very often they will coalesce around the stronger candidate.
    I'll be tracking the House more this time.
    Which sites are you leaning on?
    The two I rely most on are Larry Sabato and Charlie Cook. Then when the time gets closer you can throw in Gallup and RCP. I think Nate Silva is no longer at 538, he was the guru of predictions.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I tend to agree that as of today, the House is safely Republican. But I would be careful when it comes to the senate, the GOP history of nominating people like Aiken, Mourdock, O'Donnel and others have given senate seats to the Democrats where the Republicans should have won if they had a decent candidate.
    Aiken and Mourdock both lost because of their extreme personal views on abortion that are not even in the mainstream of most pro-life people. These two candidates were both backed by the GOP and later the Tea Party for their message of fiscal responsibility. O'Donnell was a true Tea Party candidate going after Joe Biden's old seat. Her fight was different. She had next to no support from the Republican Elites. On March 9, 2010, the day she revealed her plan to run for the Senate in a press release, a tax lien was placed on a house purported to be hers and publicized. The problem was she no longer owned the house. The IRS eventually blamed the lien on a computer glitch and withdrew it. A criminal investigator for the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration said that an official in Delaware state government had improperly accessed her records on that very same day she announced her candidacy. The press ran with the story painting her as someone who talked a lot about feckless spending in Washington while painting her as someone who didn't pay her own taxes.

    What all future candidates for the GOP need to realize is the media is not their friend. That if there is ANYTHING they can extract from what they say that can help a Democrat, it will happen on a national level. All of us have our own personal views on abortion and the right needs to learn how to stop allowing the left to use this issue as a litmus test.

    Many of those red state Democrats that will be defending their seats in 2014 are pro life. But this time around they are going to have to defend their support for gun bans, and Obamacare both topics very unpopular in red states.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Looks to me as if the DP poll is pretty much in line with public opinion within and without the USA; that the Repubs are chiefly to blame. Linking the withdrawal, amendment or delay of legislation already signed into law with the approval of the entire budget is not an appropriate tactic to use. It pretty much defines what a lot of people think about the broken nature of Washington and the US political system in general.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    It was originally the fault of the Tea Party, but now its all on John Boehner.

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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    That's all that matters anymore to people, is WHO'S AT FAULT or WHO IS TO BLAME. Whether the government is executing it's Constitutional duties is irrelevant. That's why we have poll threads like this, and other threads discussing whom to blame.
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    Re: Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're just lazy:


    9. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Publicly Announces His Top Political Priority (Dec 2010). McConnell wants the President out of office? No news there, but, wait, there’s more to it. “Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term,” Sen. McConnell told the Heritage Foundation. Of course the Senate Republican Leader doesn’t want the President to be re-elected. But what’s with the public announcement? In July 2010 McConnell acknowledged his single most important political goal: President Obama being a one-term President. Again: In public and on national television.

    The 10 Worst Moments of Disrespect Towards President Obama | Politic365
    Which statement came after the straight party line enactment of ACA, and therefore cannot be used to justify that particular episode of Dem political malpractice. Game, set and match to me. Thank you.
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